So bizarre !

CeliaW

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Hugs to you Ann, you must be physically and mentally close to the end of your tether.

Re access to the dressing, would she wear a pair of opaque tights under her trousers? I know it's one more thing to pull down for the loo etc but it could make access harder.

Wishing you as easy a day as possible, how is your back doing now?

Take care xx
 

Ann Mac

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Hugs to you Ann, you must be physically and mentally close to the end of your tether.

Re access to the dressing, would she wear a pair of opaque tights under her trousers? I know it's one more thing to pull down for the loo etc but it could make access harder.

Wishing you as easy a day as possible, how is your back doing now?

Take care xx

Wearing tights would be a great help, Celia - but she can't get them on herself and is so uncooperative that I simply can't get them on her :( I tried yesterday, after I put a new dressing on her - same old problem - she plants her feet so firmly in the ground that I can't physically lift them, and the more I ask her to lift her foot, so I can get the tights on, the more she presses downwards. Its an issue we've had for over a year and I just can't work out a way to get her to understand what she needs to do so I can get her foot into the tights :(

Back isn't brilliant - the massive bedroom cleaning session was a stupid move on my part, as that's really set it off aching - a night dozing on the sofa hasn't exactly helped either. One of the reasons I was awake so early was back pain, this morning. I'm going to try and take it as easy as possible today x
 

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Just a thought re the tights but could you get her back to the bedroom when she has her top half dressed and pull ups on? Then if you sat her on the bed and raised the bed up so her feet are well off the floor (and you have to do minimal bending) - then you could get them on up to her knees before lowering the bed and standing her to pull them up? She could maybe put the trousers on half way like that too.

Ann, I do realise my suggestion is purely the physical /practical side and doesn't allow for MiL's co-operation which can defeat the best laid plans - but thought worth a mention.

Sorry to hear re your back being so sore, I did wonder when you said about sleeping on the sofa. BTW, you do know that dusting has been banned from now until the end of the month? It's a new government initiative to ensure people have environmentally friendly Halloween decorations...

Do hope you can get some rest today xx
 

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Morning Ann, why don't you put mil into respite for a week or two? The way she is, I don't see how you can cope. As far as I can see, that's exactly what respite is for, please consider it on an emergency basis.

When OH, post op, and post infection ( infection thanks to the nurse who dressed the wound in hospital) he had to have daily dressings by DNs what a faff! Fortunately, his daycare was in the hospital where DNs were based, so they could just pop in and do it. Plus he wasn't inclined to pick at the dressings, which will be your main problem. There will be more eyes on her in respite/daycare than just yours. Spread the load!

Welcome learningcurve, seems you are well qualified to join us!
 
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Ann Mac

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I'll try that, with the tights, Celia - if she cooperates, it will hopefully work :)

Wish the district nurse from yesterday was here when I just got Mil up, Spamar - bed dry, BUT - dressing half hanging off and both duvet and sheet covered in big smears of blood. What can I do? 2jays suggestion of nailing the dressing on is looking very attractive at the moment . . .
 

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Would leggings instead of pyjama bottoms work, Ann?
Also, Spamar's suggestion sounds good to me.

JM - hope your daughter is not too disappointed.

Grace -- :eek:
 

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I know this is going to sound weird, but if MIL wears trousers how about football shin pads over the wound. Dressing, then tubigrip over the top of that, leggings if possible then shin pad. I just thought it would prevent her from scratching and protect it too, tell her doc says it's necessary if she moans.

I'm also inclined to agree with the respite comment earlier as you all sound worn out and your back needs a rest too.

Ignore everything and sleep if you can. Why not get the Adan to pop into the day centre to sort out her leg on Monday instead of having to miss the Centre for the day completely.
 

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I'm not sure a full suit of armour will stop someone with dementia going for a dressing.

Ann, how about something like Pireton (sp) to stop the itching. We had to use it on Mum to stop her removing pain patches.
 

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morning all - albeit a very early morning! My body clock appears to be completely messed up after a night with very little sleep, and here i am, very wide awake since 4a.m. This morning!

Thank you so much to all of you for the support and advice - can't tell you how much i appreciate it xxxxxx julie, welcome to the bizarrites, hun, sounds like you have your hands full too! - and grace - hope you haven't been having too bad a time with your mil xxxx

got mil to the district nurse clinic - our first face to face encounter there. Getting her washed and dressed to go was an absolute nightmare - uncooperative in the manner of a stroppy toddler i think is the best description of how mil was being. And i do understand that after the night she had had, that was totally expected and understandable. Even if she had been out of a&e in a reasonable amount of time, there would have been some sort of reaction - the fact that she had more or less spent all night there just made the 'reaction' a lot worse.

At the surgery, worse chaos than usual with not enough parking due to a flu jab clinic being in full swing and not able to park as close to the door as would have helped. Mil's walking was dreadful and i had a heck of a job getting her into the actual building. I don't think it was anything to do with the injury, more that the 'parkinsons gait', tiny little shuffling steps and very unsteady, was really, really bad, the worst i've ever seen it, from the second she got out of the car. We had a couple of near-misses with stumbles on her way in, was glad to get her sat down. Called through after about 5 minutes, (during which time mil thought we were waiting to board a ferry!) nurse stripped off the dressing i'd put on, while mil gave her a totally ficticious account of how she had hurt her leg by falling over getting out of bed in her room! I explained that although we were not 100% sure how she had done it, that she certainly had not fallen in her room. Lemony, you mention iodine - the dn wasn't impressed that the hospital clearly hadn't treated it with any sort of antiseptic - first thing she did was put a sort of gauze, soaked in iodine, over the top of the wound. The nurse was nice, but again, its that ignorance about dementia, that for some reason always amazes me when i deal with health professionals who are not dementia specialists. As she searched in her supply for a dressing big enough, she explained to mil about the importance of leaving the dressing alone and gave me a satisfied 'nod', (as if the problem was now 'sorted') when mil earnestly promised that she 'wouldn't touch it'. She then proceeded to tell me that she would see mil again on monday and would have a script for 'spare' dressings for me then. She looked quite shocked when i explained that was actually no use. That mil would almost certainly remove the dressing any number of times between now (thursday) and monday. That the size of the dressings was far bigger than the ones carried as stock in the chemists so i wouldn't be able to just buy them, that i would need a prescription before then. She said she would give me one spare dressing - i told her mils record, with a skin tear on her arm, was removing the dressing 6 times in one day. She reluctantly added 2 more spares, telling me that it was important that the wound not be 'fiddled with' and that i would have to 'watch mil'. Yep - its obviously possible for me to stand guard over her, 24 hours a day and not let her out of my sight for the maybe 5 minutes its would take for her to get the dressing off, if that's what she decided to do. I explained again (and through gritted teeth) that mil can't remember to leave the dressing alone. That it was almost inevitable she would remove it, despite the nurse insisting that the particular dressings she was using were 'difficult' to get off. I really felt like i was having to be a right pain, trying to get through to her, but eventually, she said she would try and organise having a script ready sooner, so i would have a decent supply for the weekend. However, she couldn't guarantee it (i'll find out this morning and am prepared to have to go into battle again if it hasn't been done!).

Back home and the rest of the day was just horrible. I lost count of the number of times i had to stop mil attempting to remove the dressing (despite knee high pop socks and trousers) - she was really annoyed, simply couldn't understand why she couldn't take it off. "its itchy, ann - i just want to scratch it!". Again and again i explained and on each occasion i got a sigh and an eye roll - then two minutes later went through the whole routine again. Oddly she really didn't seem to have any other discomfort from it - the wound looks really dreadful, the nurse measured it in front of me and its 5 and a half inches in length, 2 and a half wide, so quite a substantial injury, yet each time i asked was she comfortable or was she in pain, the response was 'pain? Where?' she repeatedly forgot that she had hurt her leg at all - she told me several times that there was 'nothing wrong' with her leg - it was just itchy. As with leaving the dressing alone, had a similar battle getting her to keep her leg elevated - we have recliners but she continuously tried to put the foot rest down and had to be reminded that she must keep her leg up and rested. Not being able to scratch, having to be repeatedly asked to keep her foot up, put her in a really foul mood. She nagged and pestered, demanded to go home, came out with an ever changing list of people who were waiting for her there (most of whom we had never heard of), went on and on about how she only had to 'catch a bus from the dublin road' and she could be home in 5 minutes. Asking us to run her home, to call her a taxi, to phone her family. As the day went on, she got increasingly rude and attention seeking. It was exactly the attitude of a petulant and defiant child, so extremely irritating and wearying to deal with. Non-stop nagging combined with getting up every couple of minutes for a variety of ficticious reasons or because (as she told us) 'i just want to get up if you don't mind. I don't need to give you a reason!'.

Just after 8pm, oh - who really doesn't do well on little sleep and who was struggling to cope with her behaviour - strongly suggested that she went to bed. She refused at first, but then said she wanted to go. She then argued that she would get her tablets herself, refusing to sit at the table to take them (if she doesn't sit at the table, they inevitably get dropped everywhere) - and when i did get her sat down, each time i went to get the meds, she got up again. Eventually got her sat, brought out the meds, water and her inhalers. She took the first inhaler, but with the second one, she kept peering into the opening that she was supposed to inhale from and insisting it was empty because she couldn't see any numbers in there. In vain i showed her the dial on the front that shows how many doses are left and each time she said 'oh -right' took the inhaler back, brought it to her mouth and stopped half way insisting again that 'look - its empty, there are no numbers'. It must have taken nearly 15 minutes for her to finally take the inhaler.

Upstairs, she had me ready to scream :( you know how a small child will aggrivate by messing about when you ask them to do something - thats what she was like. I handed her the clean pj's and asked her to get undressed. She took her top off, then picked up the pj jacket and started examining it. I aked her to please get undressed. 'in a minute - i just want to do this first'. She folded the jacket, placed it over the edge of the bath - then picked it up again and started to try and fasten the buttons. Then, when i asked her to stop, she put it down - only to immediately pick it up again and again 'examine it'. In the end, i took it from her hands and put the pjs outside the bathroom door, asking her again to please get undressed. She smiled and turned her back to me and started to brush her fingers over the cistern and the edge of the mirror, as though looking for dust or dirt. I asked her again to please get undressed. 'i'm just looking for something' she said and stood gazing at the built in cupboard and shelves. No 'please' this time - i told her to stop messing about and get undressed. 'in my own time' she said. In the end, i told her i was fetching oh and that he would undress her if she wouldn't do it herself. That got her stripping off - but oh, sooooooooo slowly. Got her into the clean pull ups (if i am not there, she doesn't put them on so i have to supervise) and left her to finish getting ready. More than had enough - just hoping i don't pay for it this morning, with a wet bed, because i guess there is a chance that she took the pull ups off as i didn't see her into bed as usual.

Half an hour later, she came back downstairs, insisting she had to speak to mrs clark - no, haven't a blummin' clue who that is - oh really shouted at her and sent her marching back up the stairs, with her stopping every couple of steps to call him a 'b******' and fling a two fingered salute in his direction.

I'd been wondering if she should go to day care today, but after yesterday, its a no brainer! With any luck, going back to the usual routine will help settle her - even if it doesn't, she is still going!

Its going to be a long weekend, with oh working 12 hour shifts today, sunday and monday (when she will have to miss day care for dn appontment, which of course, is in the middle of the day!). To balance that, i'm booking her into day care for next saturday, as its now been decided that we will be going to the zoo for oldests birthday then. I'm concentrating on looking forard to that, as a way of getting through this weekend!

Hope you all have a good day xxxxx
everyone who's work is likely to bring them into contact with someone who has dementia should be made to read this post!
 

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I was wondering about a big crepe bandage over her trousers? It could then be pinned to her trouser leg to make it more difficult for her to get undone but still fairly easy to get her trousers off?
 

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Ann - I would have given the DN what for, in a haughty voice 'I don't think you understand dementia' - may not have been th eright thing to do but I would have done it!

Red- think dau expected it, more that her friends have got it, OH is disappointed, we weren't sure if it was the right thing for dau anyway and if she had got offered it we would have considered it. She has got on the equivalent Welsh one, and my friends son who is a year older and did both last year says that is better technical coaching. She has got her mojo back and is determined to train so may be for the best.

Can you get an extra day's daycare on Sunday this weekend whilst OH is working Ann?

Have a few half bin liners of stuff that came from my mum's that I'd never sorted which I started tackling yesterday, I find it very very difficult to throw the stuff away, not because I want to keep it, but how my mum attached such importance to things which I think don't matter, and I can see all the faults in her I have tried to ignore for years.
 

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Had a thought

Yeah I know, not always a good thing :D

Do dressing as normal.....

She can't help herself in Fiddling.... Do something like a bandage wrapped outside her trousers and taped, pinned, nailed.... So she has that to fiddle with and not the actual dressing.....

Going for a lie down now :D


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Have a few half bin liners of stuff that came from my mum's that I'd never sorted which I started tackling yesterday, I find it very very difficult to throw the stuff away, not because I want to keep it, but how my mum attached such importance to things which I think don't matter, and I can see all the faults in her I have tried to ignore for years.

I SO totally empathise.
 

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Had a thought

Yeah I know, not always a good thing :D

Do dressing as normal.....

She can't help herself in Fiddling.... Do something like a bandage wrapped outside her trousers and taped, pinned, nailed.... So she has that to fiddle with and not the actual dressing.....

Going for a lie down now :D


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A bit like Pass The Parcel!
 

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Oh Ann! (((hugs))) MIL's behaviour is 'challenging' at the best of times. Dealing with it when you are exhausted yourself would try toe patience of a saint!

I was also going to suggest that the DN should visit MIL at the Day Centre, MIL certainly should not have to miss a full day just to get the dressing changed.

JM, you don't have to throw anything out if you don't want to, no matter how long it has been sitting in the bin liner! Glad that your daughter is not too disappointed about not getting into the program, it sounds as if the Welsh one will be better anyway :)

I also agree with cm's suggestion to get MIL's tights on, what a clever bunch you are!

I'm afraid I got cross with Mum this morning :eek: Lady from the 'reablement team' had arranged for a wheeled trolley to be delivered, it will help Mum when she makes drinks for her and her friend, for instance and Mum was keen to have one. When we were out on Tuesday Mum was quite unsteady and said she wants a rollator ('pusher' she calls it). So when the trolley arrived on Wednesday she took one look at it, saw it was not a rollator, got huffy and sent it back :( I have now arranged for it to be re-delivered (any time between 9am and 5pm :rolleyes: ) , I will make sure I am around and also tell wardens that it must be accepted (they took Mum's word that it was the wrong thing). Meanwhile, I will also try to sort out a pusher for her. I know, it's not her, it's the disease...
 

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Morning all,

Wish I'd sen the suggestions to ask if the DN could go to day care before today - I honestly never thought of that! But, as it happens, I've asked for her to go in next Saturday - so we can go out to the zoo for oldests birthday treat - and Mil is having an extra day then, so having the Monday off sort of balances it. I'll remember that if she has occasion to see the DN again though! Thanks everyone :) Tried the tights suggestion before she went out to day care - she headed upstairs to the loo, so rather than remind her we had one downstairs I followed her up - she refused to even try the tights, insisting that 'its too warm for tights in work'. But am going to try again today.

Phoned surgery to see if the script had been done - told that yes, it should be at the attached chemist for collection already. Yay, thought I and headed down there. To be told that they didn't have the full supply of dressings ordered, the rest wouldn't be in till after 2 - but meanwhile, here is a 'small pack' - and they produced a pack of just a gauze/lint like dressing, that would need surgical tape to hold it in place, really bulky and totally unsuitable. Of all the stupid things to get to me, I felt like bursting into tears. I am so sick of mistakes with prescriptions and having to spend ages sorting them, and - worst of all - being made to feel that I am the nuisance when I complaint that something is wrong or complain that it isn't ready at the time promised.

I explained that this wasn't the type of dresing that both the hospital and the DN had been using. That it wasn't suitable. I asked what they could do to sort it. Of course, it wasn't 'their mistake' - it was down to the Dr or the DN or somebody/anybody else. It might well have been - I didn't really care.

Back to the surgery, one of the chemist staff at my heels, sat for 10 minutes waiting for one of the DN's to spare me a few moments. When one emerged, I explained the situation - again, very nice, polite lady but initially, not sure what she could do to help - there was no way that they could sort another (Hopefully correct) prescription by that afternoon, it would have to be Monday - wouldn't the stuff ordered in error 'do' till then?. Gritted teeth time (so what's new?) as I tried to politely explain that no, it wouldn't. I explained about Mil and when the DN started to say about me 'keeping an eye' on her to stop her removing the dressing , I'm afraid I cut across her quite rudely to ask how I could do that for 24/7 when I might ocasionally need to pop to the loo?. Or cook for the family?. Or maybe even sleep at some point?. I think she got the message. Another 10-15 minutes sitting there whilst she went off to see what she could do. Eventually, she came back with a box of about 10 of the correct dressings. I thanked her profusely - she told me that there would be more supplies for me to pick up, but not till 5 that evening. Between the chemist and dealing with the DN, it had taken me nearly 40 minutes to obtain just part of the correct prescription. No one apologised or even explained how the mistake had happened. I was furious with myself when I got back to the car - instead of me being so bliddy grateful that the mistake had been even partially sorted out and thanking them, I should have blasted them out of the water for making yet another mistake in the first place - but I just didn't have the damn energy.

Back home, having cleared the bedrooms, I bundled up a load to go to the charity shop, put the clean bedding on, put Mils bedding through for a second wash, with more stain removal, as the bloodstains were still visable, albeit very faintly, droped the stuff off at the charity shop, did a mini supermarket dash for essentials we were running low on, came home, hoovered and tidied up - and crashed on the sofa for 2 hours. Just totally shattered. Then off to pick up Mil and the (please God, let it be right) rest of the prescription. At day care, they told me that they hadn't been able to keep Mil sitting to rest the leg, (though she had left the dressing alone), because she had spent the greater part of the day on a 'mission to escape' - sounds like they had had their hands full (Know the feeling well!).

Back home and the evening was spent with her repeatedly asking for home in between determined attempts to get into the kitchen for a variety of odd and invented reasons. That child like defiance very much in evidence, ignoring requests to leave crockery on the table, for example, or arguing that she could go and get herself a drink of water if she wanted. Each time I had to leave the room, she was up and out of her seat and either heading for the kitchen, or meddling with things near her - like my book, my kindle, daughters head phones, daughters school bag. When it came to tablet time, ignoring requests to sit at the table to take the meds until I got insistant, then when it came to helping her to get ready for bed, arguing every step of the way. A long, LONG evening, though to be fair, there was no extreme nastiness or agitation - just this quiet persistence to be awkward and have her own way.

Daughter has a mini show this afternoon - a quick 40 minute mini-musical with her theatre group - that I'm going to watch, then (if she is in a decent mood) we'll take Mil to visit her friend. No baths/showers until Mil is able to leave the dressing off her leg, so there is a silver lining - I'll just have to be as thorough as poss with the strip washes.

Thanks again for all the tips on the dressings - I'll be trying out a lot, if not all of them, over the next couple of days, I think!

Hope you all have a good day xxxx
 
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Mrsbusy

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Sorry to hear you had yet another stressful day. Hope the mini show helps to make you feel better, I know it used to help me with my son, normality for 45 minutes is great.

Just an idea as my mothers GP is useless too so I always phone them to make sure the prescription is done and double check it with the receptionist before I start the journey to get it as I like you am fed up of getting there to find it wrong anyway.

The other idea which maybe possible is can the chemist deliver the stuff to you? I was thinking that maybe if THEY were inconvenienced and not you maybe they would make sure it was right first time. Sure they would double check each time or call you if not sure before delivery if it meant they had to keep driving back and forth to you to get it right.

Enjoy your day as best you can.
 

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Just a suggestion about your horrible chemist - would they deliver stuff to save you going to fetch it? After all if mil was living alone,they would have to deliver.

Or is the script always urgent,so you must go and get it.

Any way, sending love and respect for all you do for mil,your strength is quite smazing to me.
Gx
 

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Oh Ann! (((hugs))) MIL's behaviour is 'challenging' at the best of times. Dealing with it when you are exhausted yourself would try toe patience of a saint!

I was also going to suggest that the DN should visit MIL at the Day Centre, MIL certainly should not have to miss a full day just to get the dressing changed.

JM, you don't have to throw anything out if you don't want to, no matter how long it has been sitting in the bin liner! Glad that your daughter is not too disappointed about not getting into the program, it sounds as if the Welsh one will be better anyway :)

I also agree with cm's suggestion to get MIL's tights on, what a clever bunch you are!

I'm afraid I got cross with Mum this morning :eek: Lady from the 'reablement team' had arranged for a wheeled trolley to be delivered, it will help Mum when she makes drinks for her and her friend, for instance and Mum was keen to have one. When we were out on Tuesday Mum was quite unsteady and said she wants a rollator ('pusher' she calls it). So when the trolley arrived on Wednesday she took one look at it, saw it was not a rollator, got huffy and sent it back :( I have now arranged for it to be re-delivered (any time between 9am and 5pm :rolleyes: ) , I will make sure I am around and also tell wardens that it must be accepted (they took Mum's word that it was the wrong thing). Meanwhile, I will also try to sort out a pusher for her. I know, it's not her, it's the disease...

Oh dear, no wonder you were cross. My father was the same....he wouldn't have any truck with any form of help....sent everyone packing who tried to help, some in tears! Good luck with the second try....