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maggie6445

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Firstly I want to say no two people will react the same
. It was 2021 when my OH was diagnosed and all Memory tests and consultations were done via zoom team meetings. He had the scans but all under covid restrictions.

My oh heard the diagnosis and read the letter but has never ever mentioned it at all. I'm not sure he understood the diagnosis. My mum had had dementia and he always said he wanted his heart to take him rather than live like her and yet when his diagnosis came he didn't react in any way at all!

He has never mentioned it. He reacted when the bowel incontinence started by saying he didn't know what was happening to him and I said it was his dementia but even then there was no acknowledgement. Denial? More not able to understand i think. .
 

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@RM3 my wife was told the same time that I was, but does not fully understand the diagnosis. When we were first told she thought that she was going to die before Christmas. It took me a while to calm down her hysteria (several days!) Now she knows that she has dementia (never mentions the A word), but doesn't appear to understand the life limiting aspect of it.
Re bucket list. Yes we visited Cairo and the Pyramids for a few day trip as soon as we could. A few months after that it became apparent that she found staying away from home overnight too confusing and upsetting.
But as others have said, every PWD is different.
 

RM3

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Firstly I want to say no two people will react the same
. It was 2021 when my OH was diagnosed and all Memory tests and consultations were done via zoom team meetings. He had the scans but all under covid restrictions.

My oh heard the diagnosis and read the letter but has never ever mentioned it at all. I'm not sure he understood the diagnosis. My mum had had dementia and he always said he wanted his heart to take him rather than live like her and yet when his diagnosis came he didn't react in any way at all!

He has never mentioned it. He reacted when the bowel incontinence started by saying he didn't know what was happening to him and I said it was his dementia but even then there was no acknowledgement. Denial? More not able to understand i think. .
Hi @maggie6445. Thank you for replying.
I really do think that my husband will react along the lines of your OH. In ordinary times, he would understand what the potential diagnosis really meant (impact wise) and would have reacted saying his life was over etc.
As with your OH, I think that he will be a bit indifferent to it and just want to go tell them at work and get set up for his new future work life there.
It’s very strange but also I suppose a blessing.
Thank you again and take care :) x
 

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Hi @Spottydog. Thank you for replying and I hope that you are well.
I had forgotten to look this up.
I will have a look on Amazon for this - thank you for reminding me.
It all feels a bit surreal. I can’t envisage the moments after we leave the memory clinic (should there be a diagnosis).
I have to say though, if there was no diagnosis, I would wonder what on earth was happening. Week by week there just seems to be subtle change.
I do still worry about manifesting all of this somehow but I feel too much is changing now.
I noticed a couple of things recently with his driving and judgement. He said something himself tonight about feeling in a bit of a day dream sometimes when driving.
Oh the prospect is all just so much to take in.
I’m just trying to think what to do. As with most people, we have such busy lives, with work and family.
I know that I will work it all out for us but I just have to get though this next couple of weeks to find out where we stand. Thanks again and take care x
You are right it will work out in some shape or form. I know easier said than done but try and hold off the thinking until you know what the situation is. I've made myself ill trying to work out what dementias next move on my dad would be to in order to try and avert it. My husband put it very succinctly when he said I was a problem solver by nature but I needed to accept that my dad's dementia would never be a problem I could solve x
 

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I think it was a blessing that he couldn't comprehend the implications of the diagnosis. At least he didn't have the fear for his future that someone who understands would have .

He's always been a passive compliant ,happy chappy and still is in his own way.
 

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@RM3 my wife was told the same time that I was, but does not fully understand the diagnosis. When we were first told she thought that she was going to die before Christmas. It took me a while to calm down her hysteria (several days!) Now she knows that she has dementia (never mentions the A word), but doesn't appear to understand the life limiting aspect of it.
Re bucket list. Yes we visited Cairo and the Pyramids for a few day trip as soon as we could. A few months after that it became apparent that she found staying away from home overnight too confusing and upsetting.
But as others have said, every PWD is different.
Hi @Fugs. Thank you for replying. It is awful to think of them knowing but also of them not knowing. He’s not really grasping it in this way but I want him to feel able to make the most of his life.
How lovely to have done the Pyramids and Cairo.
We have done nice things and travelled in our 35 years together but with our children ranging from 34, 32 and 18, we have always been raising a family (don’t get me wrong, this has been a blessing).
From this coming year now our youngest is 18, we were going to start holidaying and travelling the two of us and then retirement in the next few years.
I want us to experience some us time whilst we can.
I suppose it’s just a short wait now for the clinic and go from there.
Thank you again, I appreciate this forum so much x
 

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Hi @jennifer1967. Thank you for replying. I think the trust that you mention, is very important. At a time when it must feel you are losing control to others, I will take what you say on board - that trust is very important.
I can’t imagine how difficult the lockdowns must have been in these circumstances. Thank goodness we are past all of that and hope we never return.
I hope all is well with you and thank you again (see you on ‘change a word in five’) x
i would say not to think too much as if there is a diagnosis, thats when you start thinking. you will be in such a state by then that it will be even worse to cope. deal with as and when. thats all you can do. plenty of time for him talking to work afterwards.[ yep change a word in 5]
 

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i would say not to think too much as if there is a diagnosis, thats when you start thinking. you will be in such a state by then that it will be even worse to cope. deal with as and when. thats all you can do. plenty of time for him talking to work afterwards.[ yep change a word in 5]
Thank you @jennifer1967 - sound advice 🙏🏻.
Sorry, I should have said a ‘letter’ in 5’ ha x
 

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Good Evening. I just wanted to ask please what others have done following a diagnosis.
My husband’s appointment at the memory clinic is 25th June (CT Scan was last week). I had intended to ask for him not to be told if it was Alzheimer’s/Dementia and to be told MCI (so that he still had a reason for the changes). I was worried about his mental health if he knew.
We obviously don’t know yet what the outcome will be but I want to try and be prepared. I do think that he has a right to know now?
He has been quite positive about the tests and seeing it as a way to make life better for him (especially at work) once he knows what (if anything), is wrong.
He got his letter today and he seemed (understandably), quite shocked that it is under the Young People With Dementia team.
I talked about it with him and he just wants it all to happen, so that he has something to tell work (I’m not entirely sure whether he fully grasps this or not).
I don’t think that he thinks anything will change and that he will stay how he is now but be able to get medication, to lessen the symptoms and be able to function better at work (mainly).
It’s strange but he does not mention the impact on his life outside of work at all really (and it is having some impact already).
I’m not entirely sure what best to say to him around it all (or not say).
Also, I wondered please if others have crammed in lots of plans immediately following a diagnosis (bucket list type of things I mean)?
Thank you x
Hi @RM3
I took my OH to the Memory Clinic first appointment where we saw the nurse specialist for a chat from which she elicited the state of play of my OH's deterioration and ran the tests, which my OH tried, but couldn't do much of it. Mind you, in many ways she was quite with it - for example, the nurse asked her if she knew where she was, what floor of the building she was on, etc. My OH told the nurse in no uncertain terms that these were stupid and irrelevant questions. My OH explained that I had taken her in the car, we arrived, that I'd wheeled her (in wheelchair) into the lift, pressed the button, and here we were and that it didn't matter whether she was on the 2nd or the 7th floor, unless my OH said, you are the nurse as you need to know you are going to work in the right place! The nurse didn't really have an answer to that other than the question is designed to see how much attention the patient pays to where he/she is going.
My OH didn't like going back - fear I think. Knowing there is something wrong was a big knock to my OH's confidence, that then affects lots of other things. She was out of her comfort zone, felt vulnerable, The next time, after we saw the nurse, we saw the doctor. He said that in his opinion my OH had Alz, and he would write a letter. I got the impression that (a) Dr felt he had to say what he thought the diagnosis was, and (b) that he had to say this to the patient, my OH - doing his duty, and (c) that only after a formal diagnosis was given could we then seek help, or that those offering help would take it seriously as it was a dr's formal diagnosis and not just our word. The Memory Clinic Dr prescribed the initial meds to help (donepizil).

My OH didn't like the words "dementia" or "Alzheimer's", and didn't want me to tell people unless she told me I could. I think she was worried about the stigma, that others would then have different view of her or would treat her differently.
Of course, all those close to us - immediate family, close friends, neighbours, etc - had known for quite some while. I said telling people would help, as they would then know better how to deal with her, and be more patient with her word failures, her memory failures and behaviours - but in general the wider public know v little about these conditions apart from it adversely affecting someone's memory.

When she asked what was actually wrong with her, I explained that she had a chemical build up of amyloid proteins in the brain that blocked the passing of messages in the brain - there were tangles in the workings of the brain. She was accepting of this description as tangles and muddles didn't seem, to her, to be too bad. There was a time when she said, OK she didn't mind if I told friends, etc, but she has never liked the words dementia or Alzheimer's and probably never herself used those words.

As to what was wrong - she soon forgot about it, didn't ask, and hasn't needed to. She didn't seem to connect those words with the various skills that she began to lose - like not being able to control a pen, and stopped writing, like not being able to play piano or guitar that she used to love, as well as she'd been able to, so she stopped doing these, lack of memory so had difficulty in reading novels. I then adapted her life and gave her magazines with short articles she manage in one go, before her concentration reduced.

The biggest changes from my point of view as carer, as you hinted at, have been (a) we can no longer have conversations, chit-chat, debate, arguments, etc (b) that you realise you're living together apart, even if there are few activities you can do together and thus (c) the carer's life becomes the patient's life.

Sorry for the long post, if you're still reading.

Best wishes
 
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RM3

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Hi @RM3
I took my OH to the Memory Clinic first appointment where we saw the nurse specialist for a chat from which she elicited the state of play of my OH's deterioration and ran the tests, which my OH tried, but couldn't do much of it. Mind you, in many ways she was quite with it - for example, the nurse asked her if she knew where she was, what floor of the building she was on, etc. My OH told the nurse in no uncertain terms that these were stupid and irrelevant questions. My OH explained that I had taken her in the car, we arrived, that I'd wheeled her (in wheelchair) into the lift, pressed the button, and here we were and that it didn't matter whether she was on the 2nd or the 7th floor, unless my OH said, you are the nurse as you need to know you are going to work in the right place! The nurse didn't really have an answer to that other than the question is designed to see how much attention the patient pays to where he/she is going.
My OH didn't like going back - fear I think. Knowing there is something wrong was a big knock to my OH's confidence, that then affects lots of other things. She was out of her comfort zone, felt vulnerable, The next time, after we saw the nurse, we saw the doctor. He said that in his opinion my OH had Alz, and he would write a letter. I got the impression that (a) Dr felt he had to say what he thought the diagnosis was, and (b) that he had to say this to the patient, my OH - doing his duty, and (c) that only after a formal diagnosis was given could we then seek help, or that those offering help would take it seriously as it was a dr's formal diagnosis and not just our word. The Memory Clinic Dr prescribed the initial meds to help (donepizil).

My OH didn't like the words "dementia" or "Alzheimer's", and didn't want me to tell people unless she told me I could. I think she was worried about the stigma, that others would then have different view of her or would treat her differently.
Of course, all those close to us - immediate family, close friends, neighbours, etc - had known for quite some while. I said telling people would help, as they would then know better how to deal with her, and be more patient with her word failures, her memory failures and behaviours - but in general the wider public know v little about these conditions apart from it adversely affecting someone's memory.

When she asked what was actually wrong with her, I explained that she had a chemical build up of amyloid proteins in the brain that blocked the passing of messages in the brain - there were tangles in the workings of the brain. She was accepting of this description as tangles and muddles didn't seem, to her, to be too bad. There was a time when she said, OK she didn't mind if I told friends, etc, but she has never liked the words dementia or Alzheimer's and probably never herself used those words.

As to what was wrong - she soon forgot about it, didn't ask, and hasn't needed to. She didn't seem to connect those words with the various skills that she began to lose - like not being able to control a pen, and stopped writing, like not being able to play piano or guitar that she used to love, as well as she'd been able to, so she stopped doing these, lack of memory so had difficulty in reading novels. I then adapted her life and gave her magazines with short articles she manage in one go, before her concentration reduced.

The biggest changes from my point of view as carer, as you hinted at, have been (a) we can no longer have conversations, chit-chat, debate, arguments, etc (b) that you realise you're living together apart, even if there are few activities you can do together and thus (c) the carer's life becomes the patient's life.

Sorry for the long post, if you're still reading.

Best wishes
Morning @Chizz - thank you so much. I’m glad it was a long post. I’m at a stage where it helps me to know in a bit more detail - what has been the experience of others around this stage. Although everyone’s different, I always see similarities and it helps.
It’s amazing with the diagnosis, how much detail of the arrival your oh could recall and her comment about the floor she was on well - fair enough ha.
Pre diagnosis, this clarity of recollection on certain recent things confuses me about whether we are on a wrong path but this shows that this can be the case.
I’m keeping things mostly to myself as well just incase there is nothing wrong and I haven’t embarrassed us to too many people, by worrying about this as a diagnosis. It’s a relief to be able to chat on here.
Thank you @Chizz - hope you have a pleasant day x
 

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Hi @Spottydog. Thank you for replying and I hope that you are well.
I had forgotten to look this up.
I will have a look on Amazon for this - thank you for reminding me.
It all feels a bit surreal. I can’t envisage the moments after we leave the memory clinic (should there be a diagnosis).
I have to say though, if there was no diagnosis, I would wonder what on earth was happening. Week by week there just seems to be subtle change.
I do still worry about manifesting all of this somehow but I feel too much is changing now.
I noticed a couple of things recently with his driving and judgement. He said something himself tonight about feeling in a bit of a day dream sometimes when driving.
Oh the prospect is all just so much to take in.
I’m just trying to think what to do. As with most people, we have such busy lives, with work and family.
I know that I will work it all out for us but I just have to get though this next couple of weeks to find out where we stand. Thanks again and take care x
Such a lot to take in yes, almost a year after diagnosis it is still hard and on the few good days I do think did they get it right and other days I think is he just an annoying husband (LOL). Just bumbling through doing the best I can and feel very guilty as my best isnt really good enough. At first we were innundated with calls and information but gradually that seems to die away and life continues as normally as can be. Big hugs to you X
 

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Such a lot to take in yes, almost a year after diagnosis it is still hard and on the few good days I do think did they get it right and other days I think is he just an annoying husband (LOL). Just bumbling through doing the best I can and feel very guilty as my best isnt really good enough. At first we were innundated with calls and information but gradually that seems to die away and life continues as normally as can be. Big hugs to you X
Hi @BeeBeeDee - that did make me laugh (“or is he just an annoying husband”). I have made a mental note of many things that would fall into this category- but I haven’t reacted, just incase there is a reason and he can’t help it 😉. God help him if he gets the all clear.
I see so many people say that they don’t feel they do good enough - let anyone walk in your shoes before they judge. As always though, we are all usually our own worst critics.
I am in awe of everyone that cares for a pwd. We have emotions and feelings and sometimes we can’t bury them in favour of someone else’s benefit. We would be very cold shells if we could do this, all day everyday. Thank you and big hugs back x
 
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Hi. Just to post an update. My husbands CT Scan has come back all clear. We will wait and see what the memory clinic say next week. Maybe this is all manifested and stress/confidence loss after redundancy, or something could be the reason. X
 

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Hi. Just to post an update. My husbands CT Scan has come back all clear. We will wait and see what the memory clinic say next week. Maybe this is all manifested and stress/confidence loss after redundancy, or something could be the reason. X
lets hope its clear and stress based.
 

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My mum's CT scan didn't show anything, and they diagnosed her on her behaviours.

My understanding is a CT scan will show other things such as vascular dementia or a brain tumour, but until at an advanced stage Alzheimers doesn't show up. This wasn't explained to us and is something I found out much later.

In elderly sufferers Alzheimers is the most likely cause for a change in behaviour and often the diagnosis. In mum's case her memory wasn't that bad to start with but her logic was absolutely shot, not a normal Alz pattern.

In younger sufferers a PET scan is sometimes used which can show brain changes not shown on a CT scan.
 

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My mum's CT scan didn't show anything, and they diagnosed her on her behaviours.

My understanding is a CT scan will show other things such as vascular dementia or a brain tumour, but until at an advanced stage Alzheimers doesn't show up. This wasn't explained to us and is something I found out much later.

In elderly sufferers Alzheimers is the most likely cause for a change in behaviour and often the diagnosis. In mum's case her memory wasn't that bad to start with but her logic was absolutely shot, not a normal Alz pattern.

In younger sufferers a PET scan is sometimes used which can show brain changes not shown on a CT scan.
Hello @jugglingmum. Thank you for replying.
I have been talking this through with someone at work today as well.
I had such a mixed response to the all clear on the CT Scan - hope that it may not be dementia/Alzheimer’s but also, a worry that it would be a repeat of the MRI about 20 months ago (which was all clear) and then we got no answers. Difference this time is GP is concerned and we have the memory clinic as well. As much as we would like the all clear - we do need an explanation.
Thank you for sharing your experience with me - it does help. X
 

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My oh was diagnosed from a CT and DAT scans. The DAT shows signs of Lewy Body dementia ,the CT shows Alzheimer's. X
 

BeeBeeDee

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How long do you have to wait for the Memory Clinic - we were 3 months from our first trip to it before the diagnosis - but although they did a memory scan they really based it on his behaviour and his test results. I had typed out a lot of info for them as well as completing all the forms they sent me