So bizarre !

Ann Mac

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I've been told a few times that various doctors/specialists 'don't have the time' Lemony - yet if they only could make the time, it would quite probably save a lot of angst!

Yep, Sue - I have to admit, they have seemed to be really on the ball with Mil - it helps a lot to feel like that :)

Latest update - visit today didn't happen. Gathered together odds and ends for me to do her hair and so on, drove to the hospital - and after an hour and 10 minutes of driving round all the various car parks, getting grid locked several times and having a few near misses with the other bumper to bumper cars all desperately searching, like myself, for somewhere to park - I had to give up. I phoned the ward whilst stuck in yet again and explained, and they were lovely and said to leave it. The staff nurse said that Mil seems to forget that we have been within less than 5 minutes of us leaving anyway, so although she understood that didn't make it right, she hoped that knowing that us not going at all wouldn't upset Mil any more than she usually is.

Just had a phone call now to tell me that Mil has now been officially sectioned. From what was said, she has been demanding to leave and attempting to leave pretty much constantly since yesterday afternoon. Two consultants again saw her today, explained everything to her, she indicated she understood and was 'OK' with what they said - but in the next breath said she was 'going now'. I've been asked to attend a meeting tomorrow at 3pm - I'll be getting the bus, I think - not wasting another 1/4 tank of petrol trying to park in that chaos again! Will let you know if there is anything 'startling' or unexpected tomorrow x
 

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Since your meeting tomorrow is directly related to MIL's treatment and care, you could spend some of her money on a taxi. Fair enough take the bus if is convenient, but don't waste your energy unnecessarily. Every avoidable stress and waste of your time should be whacked on the head with whatever comes to hand. I am sure OH would agree. Spend the day care money on a different kind of support for MIL. And if you say "Yes, but, the day care is paid up in advance..." I will respectfully suggest you are missing the point! :D
 

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It sounds like they are getting the full revelation of your MILs antics!
Thank goodness that she has been sectioned. I know that sounds awful, but I think its what MIL needs and it must be a huge weight off your mind. The staff there sound lovely

Nice to hear that you are getting some "time out". I suspect that your whole family needs it too.

PS - full moon on Friday
 

RedLou

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My thought was Katrine's -- taxi! Paid for 'by MiL.' It's not a trip you'd need to take but for her. You have a bad back, thanks in part to caring for her. It's a small amount of money (insignificant) to make your life a little bit easier.
 

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So glad to hear that MIL seems to be receiving good care Ann. I'm sure the staff are wondering how you were coping!
 

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Ann - sorry about not getting a parking space, so frustrating. I'm soooo pleased MIL has been sectioned, hope you understand why, it means she can have her meds withdrawn and get the treatment she needs, it hopefully will kick the guilt monster into touch for both of you as she clearly needs this help, it is not something they do lightly.

A big well done to you for fighting so hard to get this far. Please consider getting a taxi to the hospital, as others have said it is a legitimate expense which can come out of her money. I do think you (well everyone) should take everything they can out of the PWD's money, we all lose out financially to this illness (I'm sure my payrise was lower as it is performance related, the year after my mum was diagnosed) and the money will end up on care fees otherwise.

As the nurse says she doesn't remember your visits, and based on your ice cream/lipstick comment she seems really well cared for, please minimise your visits, so you can both have a break and family life with your youngest. If a full moon on Friday, perhaps avoid tomorrow as it will be chaos.

Busy life here, Bellowhead concert on Tuesday night for bosses retirement, dau had an inset day yesterday, so sorted out physio for her back at 9am, made bday cakes before hand, iced them afterwards, took her to b'day lunch with her friends, popped round Asda, went back for cakes and candles, took her to bowling, popped home for an hour, picked her up and packed van up for evening race at Rhyl (cold and windy as ever). Actual birthday today so cake is in oven, and need to go and get some last minute presents. Physio was positive, found a stiff facet joint which they got moving and exercises to hopefully stabilise, and another appt (more running round for me). OH is off to Plymouth with dau on Fri night, roadrace in Isle of Man cancelled, but definitely doing Cardiff now :eek:

Slugsta - hope you are coping with your mum, not easy when you are in pain to have to add extra visits in. Let us know how it is going. Sorry about Daycare, I was so hoping with carer visit it would prompt her.
 

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It's a relief to hear your MIL has been sectioned as her medication wasn't helping and she was obviously getting very distressed. Hope things now start to improve for you all.
 

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JM - makes me happy to read about your daughter's busy social life! You know what I mean. --Glad too her back prognosis was positive.
 

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JM - makes me happy to read about your daughter's busy social life! You know what I mean. --Glad too her back prognosis was positive.

Thanks RL - thanks, as I've commented on the weekly chat thread, she hasn't had a good birthday for a few years friends wise, hopefully she is settling, but it does take an emotional toll.
 

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Tv

Could she be getting these ideas from the TV? My mum did. Boy, it was strange, and it took me quite a while to cotton to what was going on.

It didn't solve the problem of her having these thoughts or us having these strange conversations (which I admit I did find stressful) but at least I knew where they were coming from. The worst thing was the anger and paranoia, though. She watched the news a lot and I was responsible for all the ills in the world. I remember her having a right old go when she thought I'd been rioting in London, and she very much didn't approve of that gypsy camp I was living in, the one the police were trying to shut down. I'd always been trouble, she hissed.

Funny, in retrospect.

Same here with my mum who thinks that people or animals on tv are in her room I have to switch the TV off come evening and put low classic music on so she relaxes!
 

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Ann, I'm very glad that MIL has been sectioned, at least you know they can stop any escape attempts! It does sound as if she is being well cared for, I do hope that helps kick the GM into touch!

I hope that the meeting today went well - and that you took that taxi instead of the bus!!

It does sound as if you are making sure you make time to do things you enjoy - good for you!

JM, that sounds completely exhausting! No wonder you are constantly juggling - I'm just surprised that you don't drop the ball more often. I'm very glad that your daughter's back problem seems fixable, she is very young to be having problems ( I am acutely aware of the problems associated with backs) especially as she is generally fit :(

I had a call today from the lady co-ordinating Mum's care - to tell me they would not be going in any more. I understand why as Mum always tells them she has done everything and doesn't need help - but you and I know that isn't the case, don't we! I'm pretty certain that Mum isn't able to wash properly and keep her plaster dry - the 2 things are pretty much mutually exclusive :( I can't do anything about it, of course, just hope she doesn't get too smelly in the time I am gone. Thank goodness for the 'wardens' and the fact that they are still there.

We will take Mum shopping as usual tomorrow and then make our way to Southampton docks, will be back on Friday 29th. I do hope that there are no 'alarms or excursions' for anyone while I am away!
 

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Been " rather preoccupied" here too, but have just managed to catch up with your completely terrible saga.....dear Ann, how on earth have you and OH and your children survived?

And your poor MIL. It's all so heartbreaking to think of the struggles and dramas that have come about.

I'm sitting here shivering to think that such awful things go on.It's quite obvious, isn't it, that whatever system was once in place has completely broken down? And what of those people who don't have a family to fight their corner?

All I can wish for you is some peace of mind that MIL is being wisely looked after, and helped to be less distressed. Then you and your OH can hope to regain something of a life for yourselves.

You have such talent as a photographer, those animal pics are wonderful. You and your family deserve so much better. CAN ONLY SEND YOU A HUGE HUG, AND A BIG THANKYOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY. IT SHOULD BECOME A BOOK FOR ANYONE TO READ WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN DEMENTIA.
 

Ann Mac

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Hello all,

JM - sounds like your daughters birthday celebrations were fun - I hope she had a lovely day on her actual birthday too. Glad that her back problems sound as though they will respond well to treatment too xxx

Slugsta, have a lovely time away and fingers crossed that your Mum doesn't manage to get into too much mischief whilst you are gone xxx

R-Anne - its so scary when you see what a mess that the so called 'system' is in. I spoke to one of the managers (think she was something to do with the CPN's) on Thursday, and she told me that the complaint I made might actually make life easier for the staff at the hospital, as I've made it clear that the issue were largely brought about by an ineffective service, rather than complaining about individuals. She said the whole mess desperately needs highlighting and that all the staff are so frustrated and fed up with the current situation. She also asked me could I tack on something about the parking issues, too!

I took all your advice about getting a taxi - not a lot of choice, as Thursday brought a 'sore joint' day for me, with hip and back painful from when I woke - I took painkillers, and tried a short walk to the local shop, to try and 'loosen up', but no joy - so I booked a taxi both ways.

The meeting - well, a few main points. Firstly, they haven't started taking meds away yet. Still trying to 'get a sense' of how she is and making sure that she is as 'well' as is possible so that they can make correct judgements, I guess. They are keeping an eye on her blood sugar which is 'low but just within normal limits' and though I was told that the first lot of tests they ran on blood and urine were 'fine', the second 'check' has revealed she has a UTI - which will obviously skew results, and she had been put on AB's for it.

They asked why Mil doesn't have a social worker? I explained that its because after any short period of not needing a SW's help, then clients are signed off the books and not allocated a new worker until there is a crisis - all the while thinking 'Surely you know this already?'! They said a new worker has been requested. Mil seems to have seen I think 4 different doctors/consultants since admission, and the one present at this meeting is one we have spoken to before. And on this occasion, as on the last, he wanted to know what we 'expected' in terms of outcome from this admission. So again I trotted out that we simply want the severe agitation brought under control if possible, ease the anger, ease the fear, lessen the intensity of dealing with the hightened emotions Mil has and lessen the potential for her falling and for her behaviour getting her chucked out of DC. I almost feel like I have to keep emphasising and almost justifying why we have pushed so hard for this admission, when I am dealing with this particular consultant.

He said that they were arranging a CAT scan - and asked me to confirm what I'd said about lorazepam actually making her worse, as they would have to find something to 'sedate' her for the procedure and Loraz would be the usual choice. I repeated what I'd said, adding that DC had reported the same effect when they had tried it. I also said that whilst it didn't make her any worse, the only effect diazapam has is to make her a bit unsteady on her feet - otherwise, its like giving her smarties. Several looks of disbelief thrown in my direction, so I guessed they would have to see for themselves :rolleyes:

It was also suggested that we should perhaps take Mil out when we visit - just to a cafe or similar, for half an hour, that they think it might do her some 'good'. I'm happy to give that a go, but only if OH is there too - not pushing her wheelchair solo or dealing with the upset (if any) when we return her to the ward.

The nurse present fed back that Mil was 'managable' - but also indicated that Mil requires a lot of attention, because of the persistent fretting and asking for 'home', her 'husband', 'parents' and other non-attainable demands, particularly with wanting to leave the ward. That Mil was quite resistent to any reassurance or distraction. Mils been compliant with accepting help with washing and with taking medication. It was all very concise and detached. It didn't seem like Mil has really 'kicked off' there - well, not yet - but still, they are getting a taster of just how fretful and demanding she is. The 'kick-offs' will no doubt come in due course.

Mil herself - I arrive 30 minutes early so I could spend a little time with her (as I wanted to leave at 4.30, and wasn't sure how long the meeting would last). I found her hot and sweaty, hair plastered to her head, anxious and eager to lead me to a quiet seat where 'they' wouldn't hear her, so she could tell me that 'people' there had reported her to the police, saying that she had been 'naughty' and taken money that wasn't her's. She didn't seem to know that she was in hospital, instead several times insisting that she was in 'Mill end' (?) and that she had to get ready to leave for a Doctors appointment - and again, as she had done with OH, she named an old GP she used to have, who retired the best part of 20-something years ago as being the doctor she was sure she had to go and see. Trying to distract her, I got her to her room where I helped her have a strip wash to cool down and I washed her hair for her. In the bathroom, whilst I was laying out shampoo and so on, I turned round just in time to see her about to use the large bin in the bathroom as a loo! I managed to persuade her to use the correct 'receptical' but she was awfully worried she would be 'in trouble' as 'the people here' had told her she could only 'poo in this one Ann - I have to use the other one (pointing at the bin) If I just want a wee' ! Her breath was somewhere between 'dragon' and 'skunk' so I also persuaded her to let me clean the remaining top denture - judging by the state of it, she isn't getting the help she needs there at all, so I think I'll make a point of checking them each time I go - I just think if she feels cooler, cleaner and fresher, it possibly helps her feel just slighter 'better' and maybe more in 'control'?

After the meeting, I had about another 20 minutes with her, which was filled with comments about 'going home now' every few seconds. She again was sure she was in this 'Mill End' place, pointing out the window at the clearly visible CAHM's building opposite and insisting she would 'prove it was Mill End, because look - there's the fire station'. She returned several times to the theme of having been shopping and bought this and that, and kept saying she couldn't wait to get home and cook her tea. She didn't want to be anywhere near the staff, who she called 'those people' - no way were they nurses, she kept insisting. I think its the lack of uniform, you know - as is the norm these days, they were dressed in what look like 'scrubs' and Mil just doesn't equate that with what a nurse should (in her head) look like. The mentions of home and the agitation were growing, so I was glad to make my escape.

On the way out, I spoke to the Nurse, A****, who seems to be Mils main 'nurse' (not sure why she wasn't in the meeting) who mentioned that Mil has quite a sharp, 'cutting' sense of humour - apparently Mil has been making derogatory comments about how old this nurse is. A**** was taking it as a joke - but I was thinking 'Oh-Oooo'!

Got another phone call, about another scheduled meeting, yesterday - this one for next week. The nurse who rang said that after I had left the day before, Mil had again fixated on wanting her husband, and this nurse commented again about how persistent and demanding Mil is. She also said that if just one or two of them had to deal they would never cope - that its easier for them with several staff to share her care, so that the demands were 'spread out' . She also said (in a tone of great surprise) that they had tried diazapam to calm her - and that I was right. It didn't have any effect at all :rolleyes:

So, there we are. Both OH and I will visit today (OH went solo yesterday) and I'll pop in (if I can find parking) tomorrow, when OH is in work. Monday, he is in work again, so I may give it a miss then. We'll see. I am finding that I'm awfully 'lethargic' at the moment - not feeling like doing anything much, to be honest and struggling to motivate myself to do even the basics around the house. Just hoping that I'm not 'starting' with any sort of lurgy - can do without that!

Hope you all have a good day xxxx
 

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It sounds as if Mil will be there for some time yet so make the most of having the free time, your lethargy is probably a reaction to the stress you have been under for some considerable time. Look after yourself xx.
 

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I know that lethargic feeling.

We got to Tenerife in march and couldn't be bothered to do anything but go out and feed ourselves. Nights were spent in the apartment as we were exhausted.

We'd had this trauma with my mum. Dst meeting, her challenging behaviour. She had to leave care home. I had to start looking at nursing homes four days before we we got on the plane.

It really takes it out of you Ann.

Enjoy your break. It's your body wanting some healing time. You might want to try serrapeptase for your joints google Robert redfern. Takes about 6 weeks to get into the body but I swear by it.
 

RedLou

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Ann - I too know that feeling and with me, too, it was a sign my body and especially my mind was saying, 'Rest. Enough is enough.' Please listen to it. Please give yourself a free pass on popping in tomorrow - just the stress of trying to find parking is something you do not need.
 

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Ann,I'd just like to say I admire you so much and have empathised with you so much too when reading of the ongoing battle with the various people you have had to deal with because of your MIL. I'm so sorry to read the decline of her condition and also your frustration and fatigue in just getting her through each day,without anyone at DC or consultants reluctance to do anything by way of assessment of your MIL,until now..
I also understand the lethargy you are feeling,it's because you have been geared up,fuelled up,so focused on a daily basis looking after MIL,that now you have no need to be running on adrenaline and it's well overdue that you get and use this lethargy for well earnt rest.. I do hope the consultants will come up with a med combination that will allow her some peace and less anxiety,so you and your OH can carry on caring for her,but without so much or daily angst..
I lost my mum earlier this year,but I have always read your thread and I have sheer admiration for you and your family.. You are a strong lady,but please use this time to find 'you' again.. xxxx
 

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I have been to see MiL in the week, intended to stay for 1-2 hours ish....
but didn't even stay long enough for a cup of tea.

I'd phoned to say I was on my way with some shopping for her.
Nothing unexpected, just her usual food she loves, cooked chicken pieces , bagged salad, cherry toms ++
Some ready meals, as she is finding cooking more difficult... and a bag of store cupboard things...

She was OK with me on the phone, but, I'm not sure she knew it was 'me' she was talking to.

Supermarket had strawberries on offer so I got those, a small 4 pack of scones, and small carton of cream :) I was looking forward to having a treat for myself as I don't usually eat these.
Wish I had not bothered with strawberries and cream as these items totally 'threw MiL'.
I had not warned her I was bringing these , and she was not sure she could trust me.

I arrived, MiL was looking all flustered again, red faced, and waiting for me with 'crossed arms' in her porch.


She wasn't keen on letting me in, but allowed me into the kitchen to put things away...
but as soon as I had done that she was ushering me out the door saying it was not safe for me to be there....

Not much she was saying made a great deal of sense (she is getting more of these events) , but she was adamant that I could not stay or she would have to call the police and ....
'Have me arrested for breaching the tower of engagement' :confused:

I tried to calm her, but she was only interested in me leaving, pushing (not shoving) me out the door.
So I put shopping away, and left. MiL needed me gone , could not be persuaded.

Drove down the road to park up, gather my thoughts and decided to call her Docs.
Managed to speak to Nurse and asked if she could speak to the GP.... or call in to see MiL??
I asked nurse if they could check MiL for a UTI, as she was OTT confused.

MiL lives about 1/4 mile down road from her GP, it would not take much for a home visit.


AnnM...
Hope you and the Macs are able to have some 'family time' this weekend.

If I were you I'd be taking Taxis every time to the Hospital, much less stressful than you parking/driving.
My Hospital have reduced charges for people that have to visit more frequently.
The Assessment Unit should have told you , I wonder if they have?

Take care xxx
 

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Mil seems to have seen I think 4 different doctors/consultants since admission, and the one present at this meeting is one we have spoken to before. And on this occasion, as on the last, he wanted to know what we 'expected' in terms of outcome from this admission. So again I trotted out that we simply want the severe agitation brought under control if possible, ease the anger, ease the fear, lessen the intensity of dealing with the hightened emotions Mil has and lessen the potential for her falling and for her behaviour getting her chucked out of DC. I almost feel like I have to keep emphasising and almost justifying why we have pushed so hard for this admission, when I am dealing with this particular consultant.


He said that they were arranging a CAT scan -

It was also suggested that we should perhaps take Mil out when we visit - just to a cafe or similar, for half an hour, that they think it might do her some 'good'. I'm happy to give that a go, but only if OH is there too - not pushing her wheelchair solo or dealing with the upset (if any) when we return her to the ward.


she was awfully worried she would be 'in trouble' as 'the people here' had told her she could only 'poo in this one Ann - I have to use the other one (pointing at the bin) If I just want a wee' !



After the meeting, I had about another 20 minutes with her, which was filled with comments about 'going home now' every few seconds. She again was sure she was in this 'Mill End' place, pointing out the window at the clearly visible CAHM's building opposite and insisting she would 'prove it was Mill End, because look - there's the fire station'[/]

this nurse commented again about how persistent and demanding Mil is. She also said that if just one or two of them had to deal they would never cope - that its easier for them with several staff to share her care, so that the demands were 'spread out' .




Perhaps the Dr thinks you are after CHC?

I thought a SPEC scan was the best?

Memories of two holers from school days?

Workhouse? Hospital?

And finally I hope you pointed out that you are often solo with MIL and can't even go to the toilet while you are looking after her.

I really hope they try their best and that nasty as it sounds, that MIL kicks off and show them her worst side.

Please rest, you will feel as if you have been hit by a bus as you have been running on empty for far too long. Even though you don't have her physically with you you are still worrying about her and carrying the load in your head.

Loads of hugs
 

RedLou

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Grace -- maybe this is bowing out time> You've done your stint on the coalface of dementia care.