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Prof Luke Clements - Continuing Health Care Lecture

Discussion in 'Legal and financial issues' started by stanleypj, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

    Dec 8, 2011
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    Just found this via a link posted on the Parkinson's UK site. The link actually pointed to a video that's no longer available but then I found this which I suspect is an updated version:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpFLLwGqhs

    I'm trying to prepare for a CHC meeting in a couple of weeks and although I've only watched a bit so far it looks as though it could be very useful to anyone wanting to find out more about the process.
     
  2. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

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    About 14 mins in there's an interesting explanation as to why the sale of council houses led to many more people having to pay for their own care.
     
  3. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

    Dec 8, 2011
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    This is fascinating. It explains how we got to where we are today in terms of the health/social care divide. I've got to take a break now and check on Sue.
     
  4. katek

    katek Registered User

    Jan 19, 2015
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    Thanks for this. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet but look forward to it.

    I know of Luke Clements, and have read his damning criticism of the DST - from a lawyer's point of view - and how the bar to obtaining CHC is set higher than it should be.

    Hopefully you will get plenty of information which will be useful for your forthcoming CHC meeting, and others in the same situation can benefit from it too. Thanks again.
     
  5. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

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    #5 stanleypj, Jul 22, 2015
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    O.K. I thought I could only tackle this in bite-sized chunks but it's actually so good that I couldn't stop. Not only very, very relevant to the issues we are interested in but a masterclass in teaching. I'd urge anyone who has an interest in CHC to view it. He has a very clear way of explaining things and I now feel pretty clued-up.

    The most important point he makes is that (this may sound obvious) the law trumps guidance every time. And the law that exists at the moment is much more favourable to those of us seeking CHC funding than we might have been led to believe.

    On that encouraging note, I'm off to chill out with 'Nashville'.
     
  6. garnuft

    garnuft Registered User

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    #6 garnuft, Jul 22, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2015
    Splendid, informative video, Stanley but I disagree about the timing of the explanation, I think it begins at 10 mins in.

    Thank you for sharing this. Information is power. :) x
     
  7. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

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    Yes, absolutely right Gwen. I feel empowered by it. And I'm much more positive about attempting to get CHC now, however long it might take.
     
  8. geum123

    geum123 Registered User

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    The NHS Continuing Health Care clinic was set up in 2007 in partnership with Cardiff University Professor Luke Clements and Hugh James Solicitors, as an extension of the Cardiff Law School Pro Bono Scheme.

    It's nice to see Luke Clements name popping up here again. He knows his stuff.
    He works in close partnership with the solicitors that I used.
    Lisa Morgan of said solicitors, is the editor of booklet below.

    It's well worth a read Stanley. Wishing you good luck.:)

    NHS CONTINUING HEALTHCARE IN ENGLAND

    http://www.solicitorsfortheelderly.com/assets/media/NHS_CONTINUING_HEALTHCARE_BOOK_MARCH_2014.pdf
     
  9. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

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    Many thanks for all this info geum.
     
  10. Lindy50

    Lindy50 Registered User

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    Thank you stanleypj and geum for the info. Mum and I don't need it yet but I've bookmarked it all in case we do in future :)

    Lindy xx
     
  11. Spiro

    Spiro Registered User

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    A big thank you to Stanleypj for posting this link.
     
  12. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

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  13. stanleypj

    stanleypj Registered User

    Dec 8, 2011
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    Factors which cannot be used to refuse CHC

    People who read my main thread about Sue will know that it's almost certain that she will get CHC funding. It just has to be confirmed by the Commissioning Group.

    I want, over time, to add some things to this thread which might help other people deal with this complex and for some people treacherous process.

    Luke Clements lists these factors which cannot be used to refuse CHC funding:

    * The setting of the care (home/hospital/care home etc)

    * The ability of the care provider to manage the care

    * The use or not of NHS staff to provide the care

    * The need for/presence of specialist staff in the delivery

    * The fact that the needs are already well-managed

    * The existence of other NHS-funded care

    * Or ANY input-related (rather than needs-related) rationale


    I hope other people will feel free to contribute their experiences.
     
  14. dottyd

    dottyd Registered User

    Jan 22, 2011
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    I notice there has been a change in the guidance
    June 2016

    How does that impact on chc meetings?
     

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