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Failed Australian immigration application due to Alzheimer's

Discussion in 'I care for a person with dementia' started by jonmagill, Mar 9, 2015.

  1. jonmagill

    jonmagill Registered User

    Mum came over to Oz in September 2013 and we lodged an on shore aged parent visa application. Originally we thought it would take years to process as the wait is currently 13 yrs! She has been living with us since then
    Immigration requested the medical just before Christmas last year and today we have found out her application is unfavourable
    You can see from the history she was diagnosed in 2008 and has got progressively worse to the point where she can't remember to take meds and only eats when you give her food- she's now almost 69
    She says there is nothing wrong with her, has constantly wanted to return to the uk since arriving, so it looks like her wish is coming true
    I'd like some advice please on how long it takes to get an ACAT assessment for placement in preparation for when I travel back with her. Is this something we can start with her sister from over here?
    Any advice also on appropriate care facilities in Manchester as she will go and be close to her sister
     
  2. Moonflower

    Moonflower Registered User

    Mar 28, 2012
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    Hi, I'm not an expert and I'm not sure what an ACAT assessment is, but I'm sorry you and your mum are going through this.
    In terms of appropriate accommodation, the first question is whether or not your mum will be self funding. If so, you can chose an appropriate facility and they might be able to use an assessment of your mother's needs made in Australia.
     
  3. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
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    #3 nitram, Mar 9, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2015
    I believe that ACAT means Aged Care Assessment Tool which would roughly translate to Community Care Assessment.

    Before this can be started you Mum would have to be resident in the UK and have registered with a GP.

    If she has capital assets of over £23250 she would have to be self funding unless she has sufficient medical needs to be eligible for Continuing Health Care.

    If you can post whether she has capital over £23250 it would simplify describing the assessment and placement process.

    EDIT
    If you or her sister put her sister's postcode in
    http://www.carehome.co.uk/care_search.cfm
    you will get a flavour of what is available in her sister's area.
     
  4. Kevinl

    Kevinl Registered User

    Aug 24, 2013
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    Which part of Manchester, it is a large city and made up of 10 different local authorities all independent and all with their own version of the rules, would ity be Manchester City, Trafford, Bolton, Bury ect or don't you know?
    K
     
  5. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
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    From previous posts - north.
    I thought the same and gave the post code search.
     
  6. jonmagill

    jonmagill Registered User

    Thank you
    She has limited assets so not in that fortunate position, hence the reason for having her live with us in Australia
    ACAT is the aged care assessment for placement into residential care
     
  7. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
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    #7 nitram, Mar 10, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2015
    As she will not be self funding have a read through:-

    Alzheimer's Society fact sheet
    http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=2710

    Government document
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...hment_data/file/301250/CRAG_34_April_2014.pdf


    This system will largely be replaced by The Care Act 2014 in April 2016
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ta/file/268683/Factsheet_6_update__tweak_.pdf
    note that all caps are based on the Local Authority estimates of fair costs and not the actual charges by care homes.


    Living in Greater Manchester will also add another complication.
    In April 2016 a combined budget for both health and social care will be devolved to Greater Manchester Council and the 9 surrounding unitary authorities, the full effects of this change are unknown/.
    http://www.manchester.gov.uk/news/a...chester_and_govt_reach_trailblazing_agreement

    EDIT
    Just changed the link for devomanc as I checked and the one I had would probably be blocked in Australia
     
  8. starryuk

    starryuk Registered User

    Nov 8, 2012
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    #8 starryuk, Mar 10, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2015
    When we brought mum back from Oz, we discovered that we would have to wait for 2 years before she was entitled to any attendance allowance. Check carefully about your mum's entitlement to services. We were lucky that mum was self funding and it wasn't a huge problem, but it could be if your mum is not.
     
  9. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
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    Attendance Allowance is not payable if the person is not self funding.
     
  10. jonmagill

    jonmagill Registered User

    Thanks for all the feedback.
    All of the links worked so will progressively work through them
    Will post any updates of the journey as we go
    Jon
     
  11. sunray

    sunray Registered User

    Sep 21, 2008
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    Female
    East Coast of Australia
    Have you appealed to have her stay in Australia on compassionate grounds? I am not sure how you would go about this but someone from Legal Aid might point you in the right direction. I'm sure it is worth a try if you want her to stay here in Australia.

    Once you have the facts on what would happen on her return to England you can point out that returning her to England would greatly disadvantage her and see if that is an appeal grounds.

    Sue.
     
  12. starryuk

    starryuk Registered User

    Nov 8, 2012
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    #12 starryuk, Mar 10, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2015
    Yes, of course. Sorry. It was just giving an example, really.

    Re what Sunray has just posted: If your mum's doctor deemed her unfit to travel, then surely they would have to allow her to stay. My mum took a serious downturn on/after our flight back to UK. She never returned to her pre-journey state at all.
     
  13. Aussiesheila

    Aussiesheila Registered User

    Jul 13, 2013
    15
    I also live in Australia, my Mums application was successful and she has been here 4 years - she has just entered a care home as her dementia and frailty became too hard for me to manage at home - she is fortunate to be self funding. However, I have a friend who was in a similar situation with her father - I understand they appealed the decision via their doctor who felt he was medically unfit to fly.
     

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