Attendance Allowance should I appeal?

Discussion in 'ARCHIVE FORUM: Support discussions' started by Chrissyan, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. Chrissyan

    Chrissyan Registered User

    Aug 9, 2007
    570
    N E England
    Dad was diagnosed with VAD in the third week of September. We had his application for Attendance Allowance turned down after 2 months in a letter dated 2 Jan 08. The reasons are: He does not need frequent attention with his bodily functions, or continual supervision to avoid substantial danger to himself & others through the day or the night. I only applied for the lower rate.:confused:

    Dad can't manage or get to any appointments, do any kind of paperwork or housework, shopping, use the washing machine, manage his money etc etc and lately he seems to have stopped washing up so that's another chore for me.:rolleyes:

    I have been made an appointee for what it is worth, is it worth appealing against this decision or will it just be a waste of time whilst he continues to live alone? I dread to think how ill do you have to be qualify for the higher rate of AA if the above is the criteria for the lower rate?:eek:

    I was hoping to get this bit of extra money for him plus hopefully the council tax reduction & talk him into paying for a carer to come in just one hour at lunchtime each day whilst I am at work & check up on him & hopefully persuade him to have a hot meal with vegetables.
     
  2. Grannie G

    Grannie G Volunteer Moderator

    Apr 3, 2006
    69,583
    Kent
    #2 Grannie G, Mar 4, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2008
    Chrissyann,
    I believe you can get help filling in forms for Attendance Allowance. I`m not sure who from, but if you phone the AS Helplne I`m sure they will be able to tell you.
    There are probably lots of things you will have forgotten to put down.

    http://www.tameside-owl.org.uk/helpwithforms.htm

    Have a look at this web site. Help the Aged will help with filling in forms even if you are not over 60.
     
  3. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
    39,439
    It's not so much the living alone (I got the higher rate for my mother when she was living alone), it's what you put on the form. If you put down there what you've put down here, I think perhaps you didn't place the emphasis where it needed to be placed. Shopping, cleaning, dealing with finances: those aren't the issues that they want to see. What should be down there is things like: failure to eat, or eating unsafe food, failure to wash themselves leading to potential for infection, inability to take medication without prompting (personally I think that's a big one). That sort of thing. Did you have help to fill out the form? You really have to emphasise safety aspects rather than practical ones.
     
  4. Chrissyan

    Chrissyan Registered User

    Aug 9, 2007
    570
    N E England
    Thanks to both of you,:) I now know where I went wrong (yes I just filled it in myself) My emphasis was all wrong, I didn't concentrate on his mixed up medication, rotten food & not eating properly. Mind it was hard filling it in for him knowing he was going to read it through carefully & sign it. (He got tearful at the VAD diagnosis when he read it cos he had forgotten what he had) Maybe I should get professional help to appeal. Now I am an appointee do I need to get my Dad involved or can I just appeal without him reading & signing it does anyone know?
     
  5. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
    39,439
    #5 jenniferpa, Mar 4, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2008
    Hmm - I don't know. I do know that you can fill out the form for someone, sign it for them, and then explain why you've done it that way, but appealing - no I don't know. I think it might be worth your while to call the AS help-line tomorrow. Whatever you do, though, you really have to put worse case scenarios down - mine was a bit "stream of consciousness" to be honest, but seemed to do the job. Even if whatever it is doesn't happen every day, it needs to be put down.

    Edited to add: does he have any physical disabilities (arthritis etc)? That's always worthwhile putting down. Also anything that he maybe CAN do but takes him an age. E.g. my mother could put her shoes on, but it took her several tries and maybe they wouldn't be on the correct feet. What you need to do is compare everything not to what most people of his age can do, but what most people can do, if you see the difference.
     
  6. lesmisralbles

    lesmisralbles Account Closed

    Nov 23, 2007
    5,543
    Can your Dad shower or bathe on his own

    Toilet etc, take and prepare his own tablet's.
    Put shoes and sock's on.
    Get up to go to the toilet, during the day or night.
    Barb X
     
  7. jackie1

    jackie1 Registered User

    Jun 6, 2007
    238
    Cheshire
    #7 jackie1, Mar 4, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008
    Hi,

    Certainly appeal, my husband was turned down for DLA the first time we applied and on appeal got the mid level for care and low level for mobility.

    I have heard of too many people who were turned down the first time they applied.

    Do get help, it is all about using the right words and highlighting the right bits. You must do it on a worst not best day.

    The forms are a total nightmare, I'm sure they are designed to put claimants off!

    Jackie

    PS: I am still waiting to hear the result of the last application (over 2 months!) as I'm now up quite a few time in the night and his needs have increased significantly
     
  8. alfjess

    alfjess Registered User

    Jul 10, 2006
    1,213
    south lanarkshire
    Hi Chrissyann

    Please get in touch with the welfare benefit section of the Alzheimers Society.

    When I did, I was only wanting (A few years ago) meals on wheels, for my parents. Mum had fractured her arm.

    Although I never did get meals on wheels for my parents, a representitive from the welfare benefit section of Alzheimers, visited. He had all the relevant forms with him, he helped complete the forms and then, lo and behold, Mum and Dad, were awarded all the benefits they were entitled to.

    I would strongly advise getting in touch with the Wefare Benefits Section of The Alzheimers Society, they know exactly how to answer the qusetions and indeed how to ask the questions.

    Please try again

    Alfjess
     
  9. Scoop

    Scoop Registered User

    Nov 20, 2006
    99
    #9 Scoop, Mar 5, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008
    If you fill the forms online he doesn't need to sign them ;)

    It's not dodgy but he doesn't need to read it and get upset. When I filled Dad's in I was advised not to lie but put the worst case down.

    Dad got the highest rate as he needs night care too, that seems to be the deciding factor for that

    Scott
     
  10. Skye

    Skye Registered User

    Aug 29, 2006
    17,000
    SW Scotland
    I found Princess Royal Trust for Carers very helpful with forms.

    They fill in the forms for you, and they know exactly what to say. If you have a local branch, give them a ring. It does sound as if you should easily qualify.

    The higher rate, as Scott says, is for people who need help with toiletting, etc., during the night, so you wouldn't get it as long as your dad is living alone.

    I'd give it a go.
     
  11. Linda Mc

    Linda Mc Registered User

    Jul 3, 2005
    1,881
    Nr Mold
    I have full allowance for my husband and he doesn't as yet need help with toileting but I put I had to make sure he had found his way to bathroom and back and that he was safe. They said as my sleep was disturbed I was entitled to the full allowance.

    CAB will help you fill in the form or Age Concern. I filled in on behalf of my husand so your father has no need to know you are doing it again

    Always keep a copy so you can refer to it. As others have said describe his worst days. Good luck.

    Linda x
     
  12. gigi

    gigi Registered User

    Nov 16, 2007
    7,788
    East Midlands
    Eric was refused AA at first appplication..once there was a diagnosis it made a difference..
    Next time I filled in the form myself..as Jennifer said..
    that's exactly what I did..I used the form to get rid of my anger!! I compared what he used to do to what he could then do..how it had changed our lives..

    this was almost 2 years ago..Eric got the maximum AA...

    As for signing the form..I lied to Eric(I've got used to that)..

    I told him because he couldn't drive this money would help to pay for taxis etc....he signed!

    Appeal..definitely..

    If you have to lie to your dad..do it..it is in his benefit in the long run..and he is entitled to this money!

    I suspect they turned it down because your dad is still living "independently"..but he's not !!!

    Go for it!

    Love Gigi x
     
  13. Margarita

    Margarita Registered User

    Feb 17, 2006
    10,824
    london
    #13 Margarita, Mar 5, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008
    if you have a POA or EPOA , now know as a LPOA yes you can sigh for him, is that how you became his appointee ?

    ( Or )

    As any one can be an appointee for someone benefits , but can not legal sigh on they behalf if they do not have a POA or LOPA .







    Only thing is with that they send you the form back all filled in and they have you sigh it .
     
  14. Clive

    Clive Registered User

    Nov 7, 2004
    716
    Hi Chrissyan

    You need help in filling in the AA form. I had no idea what to do so I got the community psychiatric nurse to do mum’s

    The bit I remember was she wrote that mum had no grasp of personal safety as she for example walked back from the post office with her pension in her hand through the local wooded park. I would never have thought of putting that on the form.

    Best of luck

    Clive
     
  15. cariad

    cariad Registered User

    Sep 29, 2007
    89
    Hi, age concern or the cpn will fill the appeal form for you.
     
  16. Margarita

    Margarita Registered User

    Feb 17, 2006
    10,824
    london
    #16 Margarita, Mar 5, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008
    My mother got it when she was living independently mum was not told she had AZ its all down to what you say in form .


    my mother was only diabetic at the time so was on a lot of medication needed my supervision to administer her medication

    Tell them the worse, then when your father see it or read it , tell him the truth that if you don't tell the system the worse he just get less money,
    your only saying all this in form , so he can get more money ( it just make him feel better if you put it that way to him )

    If it does not you can't force him to sigh it or your just get frustrated .


    but if you do have POA or EPOA you won't have to tell him anything.
     
  17. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
    39,439
    #17 jenniferpa, Mar 5, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008
    I'm not quite sure what you mean by this?

    Edited to add: OK - I've seen your previous post. However I would disagree, actually. You can sign these forms with or without an EPA: you simply need to explain why you're signing them. Having an EPA (or being an appointee) is irrelevant for these purposes (although maybe not when it comes to appealing).
     
  18. Margarita

    Margarita Registered User

    Feb 17, 2006
    10,824
    london
    #18 Margarita, Mar 5, 2008
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2008

    I mean that you can fill out the AA form , sigh it and send it off, so your not telling him/ her how bad they really are .


    Do you get my point now in what I mean ?
     
  19. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
    39,439
    And my point is - you can do that anyway, whether or not you have an EPA or an LPA. There's a specific part of the form you have to fill out: that's what I did. So if you were claiming from scratch you could do it that way. However, my concern is that we are talking appeal here. It's possible (don't know, just speculating) that an appeal has to be made by the original applicant (i.e. the father).
     
  20. Margarita

    Margarita Registered User

    Feb 17, 2006
    10,824
    london
    I have to disagree , how do you work that one out ? Only way out of that would be to tell them to ring doctor , in why they can't sigh ?
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.