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Next of Kin

Discussion in 'Legal and financial issues' started by Robbie1954, May 28, 2018.

  1. Robbie1954

    Robbie1954 New member

    May 28, 2018

    My Wife’s Mother is 81 and has dementia. She is currently in a care home and the family are in the process of clearing my Mother in Laws home with a view to renting it out to assist with care costs.
    Unfortunately my Mother in law has had a fall and been hospitalised.
    My Wife has an Enduring Power of Attorney in respect of her Mother’s affairs, this was signed some 20 years ago and has now been registered with the Court of Protection.
    If things weren’t difficult enough my Wife’s younger Brother is proving to be somewhat difficult and is insisting that as the eldest Son (only Son) he is Next of Kin.
    I’m not quite sure why this is so important to him as my understanding is that NOK carrries no legal weight unlike that of an Attorney which does give legal authority. It makes sense to me that my Wife, as Attorney, and eldest sibling, should be NOK.
  2. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
    No it doesn't make sense. The only case I can think of where next of kin may become important is in a sectioning situation, and it still wouldn't be him.

    How is he making this difficult for you? Because he can call himself the high emperor if he wants - it won't change anything.
  3. Jessbow

    Jessbow Registered User

    If its anything, its eldest child.
    that said Cant they not talk it through? Unless its life and death, then they should make a decision together, of course, but it nothing more than ''first point of contact'' usually. In my opinion, that should be the one best known to the nursing home
  4. Beate

    Beate Registered User

    May 21, 2014
    From Wikipedia:

    United KingdomEdit
    The term has no legal definition in the United Kingdom. An individual can nominate any other individual as their next-of-kin. There is no requirement for the nominated person to be a blood relative or spouse, although it is normally the case. Someone who has no close family (or who has little or no contact with their surviving family members) may decide to list someone outside their family as their next of kin, for instance a friend or a neighbour.

    The nominated person must agree to the nomination, otherwise it is invalid. The status of next-of-kin confers no legal rights and has no special responsibilities, except as referred to below in the specific context of the Mental Health Act.

    The status of next-of-kin does not in any way imply that they stand to inherit any of the individual's estate in the event of their death. The intestacy rules[3] stipulate who inherits automatically (in the absence of a will); an individual can make a will and nominate other persons. If a minor inherits (children inherit from parents even in the absence of a will),[3][4] then, until the child is 18 years of age, there is a "trust" imposed, which means that the executors or trustees of the will remain responsible for the assets until the child is 18.[5] The term "next of kin" should not be confused with parental responsibility.[6]

    In the context of health care, patients are often asked to nominate a next-of-kin when registering with their general practitioner, or alternatively on admission to hospital. Hospitals will then notify the next-of-kin that the patient has been admitted or if there is any change in their condition. If the patient is unconscious or otherwise unable to state their next-of-kin, hospitals will usually list their nearest blood relative, though there are no specific rules. Doctors attempt to seek the views of the next-of-kin when considering decision making for unconscious patients or those who lack capacity. The next-of-kin has no power to make any decisions regarding medical care, only to advise, and can neither override the previously stated wishes of the patient nor prevent the medical team acting in what they consider to be the best interests of the patient.

    Traditionally, unmarried partners (especially same sex ones) were often excluded by certain institutions, but this has changed in recent years due to the increase in cohabitation in the UK, and in diverse families, such as those formed by unmarried partners with children (47.6% of children were born outside marriage in 2012).[7] As a result of these social changes, the policy in most NHS trusts is to ask a person on their admission to hospital to nominate their next of kin formally.[8]

    Powers similar to next-of-kin as defined in other jurisdictions can be explicitly delegated to another person using lasting power of attorney,[9] under the provisions of the Mental Capacity Act 2005[10] (note that this Act does not relate specifically to mental health and is largely unrelated to the Mental Health Act).

    So basically, the POA here can be used as the next of kin definition as it's the one the donor agreed to. The donor has not agreed to give NOK to anyone else.
  5. Robbie1954

    Robbie1954 New member

    May 28, 2018
    My Wife is so fed up with the harassment by her Brother regarding the Enduring Power of Attorney.
    The POA was registered with the Court of Protection earlier this year as my Wife’s Mother has dementia,and lacks mental capacity.
    Her Brother has recently applied for Deputyship, which has been declined by the Office of Public Guardian.
    My Wife now wants to revoke the POA, but due to the behaviour of her Brother, does not want him to have any control over her Mother’s affairs.
    Can she recommend another Family member, such as a sibling of her Mother, and if so how is this done.
  6. try again

    try again Registered User

    Jun 21, 2018
    Only her mother can change the poa and obviously she cannot if she does not have the capacity. If your wife stops doing it then it's the cop
  7. Beate

    Beate Registered User

    May 21, 2014
    Without mental capacity no new POA can be made. As soon as your wife revokes her attorneyship, her brother can apply for deputyship. That would be a bad situation, I think, so best to leave as is.
  8. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
    North Manchester
    If the OP's wife informs the OPG that she no longer is prepared to act as attorney a COP deputy will have to be appointed .
    If the brother applies the COP may reject the application because of contention between family members and appoint a professional one from their panel, this would be expensive.
  9. Robbie1954

    Robbie1954 New member

    May 28, 2018
    How expensive, approx?

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