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Dilemma........to pay rent or not?

Discussion in 'Legal and financial issues' started by Pete R, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

    Jul 26, 2014
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    #1 Pete R, Jul 20, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2015
    A family member has moved into the home of a relative for the sole reason that the person cannot manage alone anymore. The carer manages to fit in 2 days a week work and there are no benefits paid to either. The care begins as just all housework, maintenance, shopping, cooking, gardening, driving and companionship. However this progresses to include personal care as well.

    Should the family member pay a rent?

    All opinions appreciated.
    :)
     
  2. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
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    So this person is basically receiving room and board for providing care 24/7 for most of the week? Depending on how much they are actually doing, I personally think they should be paid as well. It definitely doesn't sound as if they should pay rent.
     
  3. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

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    Thanks

    The only time they are not "caring" is for 16 hours a week whilst at work.

    PS. Do you have the power to fix the thread title????? Pretty please.:eek:
     
  4. PeggySmith

    PeggySmith Registered User

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    The family member has moved in to provide practical support for their relative. If said relative had to pay for all those services, it would cost quite a lot. If you think anyone's going to make a fuss about them living rent free, then set a realistic rent and also charge for all the cooking, cleaning etc. that they do. Your LA charges an hourly rate and while I'm not up to speed on that, it's not cheap.

    Alternatively, if help wasn't being provided by the family member, your relative might have to move into a nursing or care home at enormous cost.

    So, no I don't think they should be paying rent, really. Doubtless someone will be along in a minute to disagree....
     
  5. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

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    Done. :)
     
  6. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

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    Thank you very much:)
     
  7. ITBookworm

    ITBookworm Registered User

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    As a "paper exercise" it might be useful to work out the following:
    - what a reasonable rent figure might be to include board, food, utilities etc.
    - what a reasonable salary figure for the carer might be, including being on call 24/7, all the housework etc. etc. (maybe find out what a non family live in carer would cost?)

    The carer is then paid the difference between the two?

    If anyone complains in future you can then show the figures and prove you have at least considered the situation and there is no financial abuse or favours :)
     
  8. Beate

    Beate Registered User

    May 21, 2014
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    Why isn't the cared for getting Attendance Allowance? It could be used to make up for shortfall in rent though if he lives in his own house or has no problem in paying the rent himself, there wouldn't really be any. I know this isn't the question asked but someone only working 16 hours a week might qualify for some benefits or working tax credits or what have you.

    I live with my OH and we share the rent but that's because we've always done that and it would feel wrong to make him pay the lot (not sure what SS would say either), but then I haven't moved in with him for the sole purpose of caring for him.

    Is there anyone who could at any point moan about lost rent? Is he self-funding?
     
  9. mrs mcgonnagal

    mrs mcgonnagal Registered User

    May 9, 2015
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    Yes, quite. If only the government would use that to work out carers allowance. The person has given up a lot to do this. Don't worry its justified if the person can afford it
     
  10. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

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    Thanks for the reply and CH was avoided for perhaps 4-5 years but other help would still have been needed whilst still at home.
     
  11. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

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    That is a good idea but you do no think the outcome would be the other way round with carer having to pay?
     
  12. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

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    I can't imagine it would work out that way.
     
  13. Pickles53

    Pickles53 Registered User

    Feb 25, 2014
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    If you're dong the calculations consider the impact on council tax. If the cared for person was living alone, they would have had 25% discount as a single occupant. Now they won't but if AA is awarded, then the SMI discount would reduce council tax again.
     
  14. Raggedrobin

    Raggedrobin Registered User

    Jan 20, 2014
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    I absolutely think the carer should have free board. I should think it would cause a lot of bad feeling if they were asked for rent. A huge amount is saved by having a live in carer. I looked into it for my Mum, it is a massive expense if someone had to pay for it.

    The fact that the person works elsewhere 2 days a week is irrelevant, they are still there for most of the time. Actually if I was them I would expect free food as well, as in board and lodging, this might be preferable to financial payment.
     

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