An Alternative approach to see if we can halt the progress or reverse the disease.

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Oisin Walsh

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The following is a list of what we are going to do to see if we can stop the progress the condition or reverse it.

I am aware that all of the drugs that are available only slow down the process so have decided now to see if this alternative approach may be more effective.

All comments, suggestions and queries are welcome.

Anyone else that is going to try this approach for loved ones please keep me up to speed with any developments, observations and suggestions moving forward - (as will I). Of course if you do decide to try this approach you will be taking full responsibility for your decision and actions.

I am only providing a possible alternative that we are going to try.

Good Luck for any of you that also decide to give it a go -

Listed below is the template I will follow -


A lower risk of dementia has been associated with a diet that includes vegetables, fruits, fish and lots of omega-3-fatty acids. Doctor Catherine Kousimine (a close associate of Dr. Johanna Budwig) stated that detoxification is accomplished by eating a healthy diet. Her guidelines included: no animal products, sugar,alcohol and fat. She did stress the importance of organic fruits, nuts, seeds, wheats and vegetables.

Dr. Kousimine was most noted for her "Kousimine-Budwig Detox Breakfast" which greatly helps patients with all diseases.

Boil a jug of tap water to eliminate any traces of aluminium, chlorine & fluoride and then place in the fridge for drinking water

Step 1 -
Before breakfast take 1 teaspoon of nigella sativa oil mixed with 1 teaspoon of raw honey.

Step 2 -
One half hour later take 1 tablespoon of Father Romano Zago's recipe:
1/2 liter of honey, 1 ounce of distillates (Between 40 and 50 ml (6-8 tsps) of grappa, whisky, cognac, etc. (pure alcohol, wine, beer and liqueurs cannot be used) (raw apple vinegar can be substituted) and 350 grams of whole aloe vera leaves juiced. Mix well.

Step 3 –
Take all the herbal capsules before eating – listed on cupboard

Step 4 – (For Breakfast)
The following recipe is adapted from Dr. Kousimine`s original recipe:

1/4 cup of yogurt
1.5 tablespoons of ground flax seeds
1 banana
1 additional fruit
Juice of 1/2 lemon
1 tablespoon of homemade granola

Grind the flax seeds right before preparing this recipe, as flax seeds should be used within ten minutes of grinding. Mix the yogurt and flax seeds together. Mash the banana in a bowl and then mix the banana into the yogurt mixture. Add in an additional fruit such as peaches, pears or strawberries. Add in the lemon juice and the granola and enjoy for breakfast or anytime of the day.

Step 5-
Brain elixir to be used as mid afternoon snack –
Place 1 cup of yogurt, 2 figs, 1 rosemary twig and 1 tablespoon of olive oil in a jar. Refrigerate overnight and the next afternoon, place in blender and mix well.

All first 5 steps are to be completed daily by lunch time.

At lunch time take herbal capsules again (only the ones that state to take 3 times daily) –

And again at dinner – take all herbal capsules –

Thereafter the diet will vary according to which day it is but must remain within a strict set of disciplines -

• Every second day juice an entire pineapple (including the core) and drink the juice all at once (this is a way to get rid of dead flukes stuck in your system).

• Snack to be taken twice a week only (as pumpkin is high in glutamate but effective for detoxification) –
Juicing an entire pumpkin is easy to do. Take a regular pumpkin and juice the entire pumpkin, skin, seeds and all. Drink the juice within 6 hours in 3 divided doses.
Eat fresh unsalted pumpkin seeds. Start with a handful and workup.


• Have no more than one cooked meal a day.


• Try and stick to (cold water – cod, mackeral, salmon, haddock) - where nutritional deficiencies that may include Vitamin A, Vit C & E, and w3 EFAs are addressed - fish for dinner along with steamed or fried vegetables, always seasoning the fish with lots of garlic.
Avoid Tuna as it is high in Mercury Content.

• If eating meat choose lamb (lower in glutamate) or chicken, - again always season heavily with garlic


• Cook vegetable omelettes always using onions (and another vegetable) and a piece of fruit for desert (Should consume at least one egg a day – preferrably sometimes raw).

• Onion’s, garlic an egg should be consumed at least once a day as they are extremely high in sulphur and are high in ant-toxidants (try and consume 1 whole onion a day – in 2 meals).


• A February 2005 study on mice examined the impact of diet on Alzheimer`s disease. The FJ Express study`s researchers found that when they reduced the calories and limited carbohydrates, plaque did not form in the brains of the mice. The findings showed that a reduced calorie diet which had a limit on the amount of carbohydrates, resulted in a remarkable measure of disease prevention. So as a result have no more than one serving of carbohydrates per day.

Use all the super foods that are high in antoxidants and low in glutamate – these are as follows – (they should be the very basis of your diet)
• red wine, water, and green tea*
• avocado, onions, peppers, spinach, and sprouts, hot peppers, leeks,
• apples, blueberries, pomegranates, kiwi, oranges,and tomatoes
• wild salmon, eggs
• Tree nuts (e.g. pecans, walnuts, macadamias) , and buckwheat
• cinnamon, garlic, honey, extra virgin olive oil ("cold pressed"), sea salt, yogurt & kefir
• sea vegetables, irish moss, umeboshi plums, wheat grass, miso
* It`s also been found that dementia patients respond well to drinking green tea. Research involving 1000 Japanese adults revealed that adults who regularly drank green tea had a lower risk of developing dementia. In addition, adults already exhibiting dementia symptoms saw improvements after drinking two cups of rosemary tea per day. Results were seen in as little as one month.

Please Note – and to be included in the diet regularly -
Lettuce is extremely low in glutamic acid, having 110 mg per 100 g. Other veggies low in glutamic acid include celery with 110 mg per 100 g, burdock root 86 mg, turnips 120 mg, carrots 120 mg, eggplant 130 mg and okra 240 mg.

Fruits are low in glutamic acid. For example, a raw apple has only 20 mg of glutamic acid per 100 g. Peaches also have low levels of glutamic acid with 34 mg. Other fruits on the list include Japanese plums with 35 mg, grapes 42 mg, figs 52 mg, grapefruit 56 mg, pineapple 61 mg, watermelon 79 mg and bananas 120 mg per 100 g, according to the Whole Food Catalog.
Vegetables and fruits have the lowest quantities of glutamic acid, but some grains, starches and shellfish are lower in glutamic acid than meat and dairy protein sources. Well-milled rice is reasonably low in glutamic acid. It has 410 mg per 100 g. Some starches in this category include sweet potatoes with 130 mg per 100 g and potatoes with 150 mg. Examples of shellfish include sea cucumber with 600 mg, freshwater clams 680 mg and hard clams 760 mg.

Other foods high in Sulphur but low in glutamate (Should also be included in the diet )

Vegetables - Cabbage, kale, kohlrabi, Asparagus, Parsley, Sweet potatoes
Please note that broccoli, cauliflower & cabbage are high in glutamic acid but also high in sulphur so could possibly do 1 (or half ) serving of each one only during a 7 or 10 day period.
Fruits - Avocado (high in glutathione, which breaks down during digestion, yielding cysteine), Coconut, Watermelon, Bananas, Tomatoes
• Tea & coffee: MSM (To be taken only in moderation or avoided initially as also high in copper – try and stick to Green Tea)
Please Note:
It is important to note that high heat can decrease the beneficial effects of these vegetables. Instead of boiling, lightly steam, saute or stir-fry these vegetables.


Meats & Fishs - Protein-based foods like beef, chicken and fish are also high in Sulphur

• Get plenty of sunshine; eat no packaged or processed foods and avoid all pharmaceutical medicines.

• Before sleeping take 1/4 cup of extra virgin olive oil mixed with the juice of one lemon.



List of Herbal Capsules to be taken daily –

Morning time –

1 x Gingkgo Biloba 6000mg capsule
1 x Soya Lecithin capsule
1 x Q10 capsule
1 x Grapeseed
2 x Blueberry Fruit
1 x N – acetyl l – carnitine capsule

Lunch time -

1 x Soya Lecithin capsule
2 x Blueberry Fruit

Dinner time –

1 x Soya Lecithin capsule
1 x Q10 capsule
1 x Grapeseed
2 x Blueberry Fruit
1 x N – acetyl l – carnitine capsule


Routine to be done daily –

Bath Detox Using Epsom Salts

1 cup of Epsom salts
1 cup of sea salts
1 cup of baking soda

Mix all the ingredients together and place in a sealed jar. Fill the bathtub with water as hot as you can stand and add in 1/4 cup of the Epsom salts mixture. Relax in the bathtub for 30 minutes and then wrap yourself in a warm blanket for approximately 20 minutes more. This will draw out the toxins from your system and leave your body feeling refreshed.

Place one teaspoon of nigella sativa seeds in a pan with 1 tablespoon of vinegar. Heat to boiling and then cool to a warm temperature. With a pastry brush, paint on your stomach and liver area before sleeping. Do not wash off.

Note: Studies have shown that turmeric, milk thistle, olive leaf, holy basil and olive oil are beneficial for dementia patients also.




Procedures to be carried out –

Removal of Gas Appliances:

There is some evidence to suggest that fossil fuel-powered appliances can worsen the symptoms of dementia.

According Dr. Theron Randolph, "If the patient's family is unwilling to exchange the entire fossil fuel heating system - I mean fuel pipes, heat ducts, everything, every single part must go - for an electric stove and baseboard heat, or a heat pump air exchanger, the patient will not recover."
Obviously in many cases this will not be feasible as it is not practical, so instead cover all of your indoor pipes and radiators with newspaper and (if you can) do not turn the heating on and replace with electric heaters and have bowls of water in the room to act as a humidifier.

Switching to electric heat, cooking with an electric stove and using an electric water heater can lead to improvement in dementia symptoms.


Additional Instructions:

Throw out all aluminum cookware and even the tea ball. Give up using foils and even supplements covered with foil tops. Look for baking powders without aluminum, switch to plastic or glass salt shakers and buy salt without aluminum. Also, tape over all handles in the bathroom and other places with masking tape.

De-worming is one of the crucial items to be worked on and ridding the body of flukes is imperative.

Environmental causes that promote Alzheimer's disease include above-normal exposure to Aluminum, iron, copper, zinc, manganese, and other factors.



The following is extremely important and must be noted –

Alzheimer's disease patients present with very low sulfur levels and below-normal, to very low selenium levels.
Subsequently, dietary and supplemental sources of sulfur should be adjusted accordingly.

Interestingly, sulfur is a very potent Aluminum Antagonist, which should satisfy those who maintain that aluminum is a significant factor with Alzheimer's disease.

Another dietary and potent sulfur antagonist is Copper, which is found in a variety of commonly consumed "addictive" foods and beverages such as coffee, cola, chocolate and cocoa products, as well as wheat germ, shellfish, soybeans, nuts, liver, and many other sources.
A high copper / low sulfur status provides a biochemical platform that encourages the development of Alzheimer's disease, but also promotes some forms of arthritis and vascular degeneration. As a result – please note to avoid the following foods high in sulphur - cocoa / chocolate products, coffee, tea, soy products, liver, nuts, seeds, shellfish, wheat germ..., while aluminum sources include drinks packaged in aluminium - lined containers (tetra packs) and some antacid / stomach remedies.


While some drugs or antibiotics may slow, or if it should happen - halt the progression of Alzheimer's disease, sulfur supplementation has the potential of not only preventing, but actually reversing the condition, provided it has not progressed to a stage where much damage has been done to the brain.

One major reason for the increase in Alzheimer's disease over the past years has been the bad reputation. Eggs have been getting in regard to being a high source of cholesterol, despite the fact of dietary intake of cholesterol having little impact on serum cholesterol - which is now also finally acknowledged by mainstream medicine. In the meantime, a large percentage of the population lost out on an excellent source of sulfur, and a host of other essential nutrients by following the nutritional misinformation spread on eggs.

Of course,Onions and Garlic are another rich source of sulfur, but volume-wise, they cannot duplicate the amounts obtained from regularly consuming eggs.
MSM (methyl sulfonyl methane) is another organic source of sulfur that is found in a variety of uncooked and unprocessed foods (eggs, milk, seafood, meats, cabbage, onions...). (Also Tea & Coffee belong to this group)

Nevertheless, in addition to supplementing MSM, I still recommend the regular consumption of eggs, garlic and onions (when tolerance is not a problem) for patients whose sulfur levels test below normal for their many extra nutritional benefits.

Other foods high in Sulphur but low in glutamate (Should also be included in the diet )
Vegetables - Broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage (these 3 are high in glutamatic acid), kale, kohlrabi, Asparagus, Parsley, Sweet potatoes, and other cruciferous vegetables (turnips and parsnip,)
Fruits - Avocado (high in glutathione, which breaks down during digestion, yielding cysteine), Coconut, Watermelon, Bananas, Tomatoes
• Tea & coffee: MSM

Please Note:
It is important to note that high heat can decrease the beneficial effects of these vegetables. Instead of boiling, lightly steam, saute or stir-fry these vegetables.


Meats & Fishs - Protein-based foods like beef, chicken and fish are also high in sulphur

Only cook beef medium to medium rare – the more rare the better as it is retains more sulphur.


Plaese continue to next page for information on “Glutamate” -





GABA, or they are comprised of elevated concentrations of extra-cellular glutamate, which are highly toxic to neurons. As a result, some researchers believe glutamate-rich food sources, such as MSG, to be of concern.

Foods that are high in Glutamate must be avoided as this is what is been produced excessively and is causing a calcium overload in brain cells or a build up of plaque (or otherwise known as beta-amyloid). The theory is called Glutamatergic Excitotoxicity.

The following food groups must be avoided as they are high in glutamate–
1) Grains: Wheat, barley, and oats are highest. Corn and rice are lower than the previous three but higher than potatoes.
2) Dairy Products: All Cheeses (cheddar, Swiss, Monterey Jack, Mozzarella, PARMESAN) are very high. Casein is very concentrated in cheese and is 20% glutamic acid by composition. (Except Fat – Free Yogurts - probiotic properties).
3) Beans: Soy, Pinto, lima, black, navy, and lentils
4) Seeds: Sunflower, pumpkin, etc.
5) Peanuts: Very high, as are cashews, pistachios, and almonds. Avoid all these type of nuts and instead opt for tree nuts only (below) that are part of the low glutamate group.
6) Diet drinks: Primary source of aspartate (aspartame/Nutrasweet)
7) Prepared foods, soups: 70% of prepared foods and many soups have MSG
8) Meats: Note: All meats are naturally rich in glutamate and aspartate. Lamb (and eggs) are the lowest, while rabbit and turkey are the highest.
9) Cruciferous Vegetables: Broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage are high in glumatic acid (but are also high in sulphur).
Bok choy, and Brussels sprouts are high in glutamic acid, which is the most common amino acid found in vegetable protein & other cruciferous vegetables (radishes, bokchoy & chinese cabbage)
The following are some foods that are “rich” in glutamate and should be avoided -

Animal flesh

Barley

Chickpeas (garbanzo beans)

Cowpeas (black- eyed peas)

Dairy Foods

Flaxseeds (Though we will use these initially as it entails part of the detoxification process but will plan to withdraw it in a few weeks)

Oats

Red beans

Sesame seeds

Soybeans

Sunflower seeds

Wheat

Food low in glutamate and aspirate AND to be included in the diet:
1) Fruits
2) Vegetables (Only certain types)
3) Potatoes
4) Lamb and eggs are relatively low.
5) Tree nuts (e.g. pecans, walnuts, macadamias) NOTE: These are relatively low when compared to peanuts and cashews. I have more detailed charts on the site to show exact values. Pecans, for example, have half the amount of glutamate that peanuts have but that is still quite a bit. Again, everything in moderation applies when eating nuts of any kind. I do not recommend you reach for nuts when you are really hungry unless you can stop after a few. Nuts are very good for you..in moderation. 7 almonds a day gives you what you need .
So, we should be mostly looking at eating lean meats, vegetables, fruits/berries, limited nuts, potatoes, and eggs while also limiting known allergens. My site discusses primary versus secondary food allergens. The good news is that if we stay off the primary ones long enough (dairy, wheat/gluten grains, soy, corn) we may be able to eat the secondary ones again.

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hollycat

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My hubby and I have taken a completely opposite view which to be perfectly honest is probably not a very healthy view.

Mum is 81 and enjoys amongst other things, meat pies, tea, biscuits, cake, bread, sweets, jam, ice cream etc.

Like your above post, this is just our opinion, but we have made an agreement to give mum exactly what she wants for two reasons:

1. It pleases her and keeps her very content.
2. At least she is eating something.

I wish you the very best of luck with your newly found diet schedule and have a real and genuine interest to see how you get on.
 

Chemmy

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Sorry if I've missed something - but who are you trying this out on? Someone who already has signs of demetia (best of luck :rolleyes:) or yourselves as a preventative measure?
 

JackSpratt

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A healthy diet?

I have to say I scanned rather than read your post in-depth, but it seems to me to contain some contradictory advice:

- Avoid all alcohol/have some red wine/have a shot of honey and grappa before breakfast
- Nuts are good/avoid nuts as a they are sulphur antagonists
- Avoid tea coffee as high in copper/tea & Coffee provide MSM so are potentially good

I'm guessing you compiled the post from multiple sources.

Seems to me that the one thing that rings true from all that is the standard 'healthy diet' mantra:
- eat regularly lots of veg, fruit esp berries, oily fish, whole grains
- use olive oil rather than saturated fat
- try and limit meat and dairy products
- carbohydrates in moderation
- eggs aren't all bad!
- reduce alcohol, tea and coffee
- drink green tea
[- avoid aluminium pans]

Doesn't that just sound like good dietary advice that we hear regularly and try (often unsuccessfully) to adhere to?

Taking it to extremes may be more beneficial and good luck with trying it out - look forward to reading how you get on.
 

Katrine

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Good luck with all this - it is brave to embark on such a time-consuming dietary regime but may be of benefit, so no-one would wish you anything but the best in your endeavours.

I had a young cousin with an inoperable brain tumour whose mother took him to the Bristol Clinic and embarked on a regime of living off fresh raw vegetables, juiced, and vitamins and all sorts of stuff similar to your suggestions. This involved many hours labour a day, as your system would do. It made not the slightest bit of difference to the outcome as his tumour progressed and sadly he died aged 23. I hope that his mother felt that she had done everything she could to give him a fighting chance. However, she, and her son, may also have felt a sense of failure when the body failed to respond to the miracle cure. Ultimately, it is a very personal choice.

Tell us more about these flukes and worms? :eek: Threadworms seem to have abandoned our family since my children reached their teens, so what are the other worms? Do we get these in meat? What are they, and why should we get rid of them? There is a theory that removing parasites adversely affects the immune system; when we've got certain parasites they can help. I'm not an expert, it's just a theory I came across. Everyone used to have lots of intestinal parasites in the past, and we just kept the levels down by eating certain herbs as a purge.
 

Nanak

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I wonder if this diet would be accepted by a Dementia/Alzheimers patient? Depending on what stage they are mealtimes become a fight even when food is tempting.
It would be great if it is proved to work but you would have to be VERY dedicated. Frankly I don't know if I could follow it :eek:
It will be interesting to see how this develops
Nanak
missing what has gone and scared of what is to come
 

JoshuaTree

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Blimey..I think it would be very difficult indeed to persuade a sufferer to eat/drink this way. I guess if you have found out that you are in very early stages then you would give anything a go, but Good luck:)
 

carpe diem

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Well good luck to you, I hope it gives you something positive to focus on.
My gran had AD in her early 50's and she was very slim and healthy but her progression was rapid, my mum also has early onset AD and she has always been overweight and had unhealthy lifestyle but she is now 75 and progressing downwards very slowly.
I think the main reason for my mums slow progression is mainly luck but also we have never moved her into a new home, we try not to question her (I never ask "what have you been doing today?"), I always tell her she is right and just try to reduce her anxiety and stress as much as possible. She does what she wants, when she wants and muddles through her day oblivious, but quite happy.
I hope if I get AD in the future that my loved ones will treat me with compassion and let me eat some cheese if I want some. :D
 
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tre

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Still do not know what your interest is in this Oisin. Are you personally connected to someone with dementia?
I think there are some quite strange ideas here, especially having all the gas ripped out. Do people who live in areas where there is no gas supply show less incidence of dementia? Surely if all the things which this regime excludes or the odd things it includes are looked at in relation to the population as a whole then we should all end up with dementia. I for one do not know of anyone who lives this way.
Also I have been waiting to see what Ted thinks to this but maybe it is such a long post he is still working on it.
Tre
 

Delphie

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There's no way I could get my mum to follow these eating suggestions. I'm lucky if she gets enough calories every day.
 

Chemmy

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I think there are some quite strange ideas here, especially having all the gas ripped out.

I have to agree, tre. That bit seems to have come from this guy, Theron Randolph,
and the rest seems to be extracted from a naturopath press release which is published on several websites eg Dementia is Reversible Say Naturopaths
and I quote: But luckily there are also some who think by making a small alteration to diet and lifestyle dementia can be reversed.

This article, like Oisin's post, doesn't seem to give proper references to the science behind it.

Sorry Oisin, no wish to offend you but if you want feedback, you need to tell us who you are and your interest in this, otherwise it starts to look like well-meaning hokum.
 

Crikey

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I hope you will forgive me in advance for this negativity, and I'm sorry if I offend, but...this text set all my alarm bells ringing. So I went looking for its source, and found it's copied and pasted from two articles on naturalnews.com

The original author (Barbi Trejo) claims that she cured herself of both dementia and MS. If that's the case, she's a medical miracle. The source of a large part of this makes the frankly ridiculous claim that "While frightening, dementia is completely reversible."

It extrapolates wildly from some real studies--a real but minor reduction in risk of developing dementia among green tea drinkers does not make green tea a cure, however much we want it to be one.

All the named doctors in this text are associated with highly dubious "research" and "treatments" that have little to no basis in real science, but lots to do with raising false hopes and accumulating large incomes by pushing supposed miracle cures to desperate people.

Johanna Budwig, for example, was notorious with regards to her "anti cancer" diet (flax seed and cottage cheese can cure cancer?! If only.). The parasites stuff is from Clark, who claimed they caused all cancers, and she could cure them for a fat fee (Her doctorate was from a correspondence course and she was finally arrested for practicing medicine without a licence.) These are all names that will turn up many, many mentions on sites like quackwatch--where the claims are investigated and checked against peer-reviewed science studies.

I'm sorry if this is very harsh, as people need hope--but there are so many people profiting from abusing fear and creating false hopes...
 

chucky

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Who is the "we" you are speaking about. Also, from the length of your post and the obvious time it must have taken to come up with this in the first place, makes me wonder how someone (we) caring for a dementia sufferer has the time and energy to devise and carry out such tasks along with everything else caring entails. I know in my own position i would have had neither as i was constantly tired, emotionally and physically drained with the arduos grind day in and day out. Its hard enough sometimes to get a sufferer to eat anything at all never mind trying to follow a diet that would drive the carer crazy to implement. Im not a fan of alternative approaches im afraid, tried and tested yes but not on the strength of an idea not proven as of yet.
 

Saffie

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My thoughts on reading through this, admittedly very quickly, was that life is too short, however it is lived! There are so many contradictory reports about what can cause/prevent AD, all of which can be found exceptions to in our relatives. All we can do is to live a life as sensible and moderate in style and diet as we can manage. If we all followed the above recommendations, we'd be nervous wrecks in no time - and we know that stress is bad for us!!!!
 

min88cat

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Well, all I can say is good grief...........................

How could anyone have the time to follow all those strange things.......I lost the plot (and the will to live!) after the first paragraph.

How on earth would a carer be able to feed a ALZ/Dementia sufferer all that stuff, when we have enough trouble giving our loved ones normal food?

I think I smell a duck - QUACK.................:D
 

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OK my feeling is that while this may have been a well meaning post, it potentially contravenes several T & Cs, not least the copyright issue.

I'm taking the unusual step of closing this thread while the moderating team decides if the thread should stay or go or be modified.
 
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