Have decided not to tell Dad he has Alzheimers (at this stage)... right or wrong???

barrowpig

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JoJo,

Don't tell him he got anything...!

Years ago he would have been a 'Geriatric' - now we're not able to utter such a phrase.

I work in an EMI Unit & I can tell you that Dementia in any form or politically correct phrase is a blessing.

As we reach the end of the long haul of life (50, 60, 70, 80, 90 years of age) sometimes we have to slow down. We all should have the privaledge of that right - it's been earnt.

Conection is the answer. Take a step back, stop panicking & enjoy the days & memories gone past. Forget about todays horrid, greedy & selfish society.

Conect with Dementia - connect with the person within - enjoy the gift of life.

Peter Murphy.
 

JoJo36

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Wow, I am absoultely overwhelmed by the level of support!! I'm truly lost for words...

Thank you all so much for your advice and for sharing your experiences, it truly means alot to me as I find it so comforting to know that other people think and feel the same as me.

I love my Dad with all my heart and need to do what's right for him, and in this case, that means not telling him at this stage (if ever).

Just to speak to people who understand really really helps. I'm so glad I discovered TP!

Thank you all!!!
JoJo xxx

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can;
And the wisdom to know the difference
 

Cate

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Hi Jojo

We never told my mother she had AD and she didnt have any insight into it either. Its a personal and individual thing, I simply took the view it wasnt going to help mum in any way to know, so what was the point.

Its my opinion with this awful disease, you make up the rules as you go along, you change them if you need to, and you do whats right for you and your loved ones.

Love
Cate xx
 

lin1

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Hi
Its my opinion with this awful disease, you make up the rules as you go along, you change them if you need to, and you do whats right for you and your loved ones.

Im in total agreement.

I also think it depends very much on the person (sufferer)
We have sufferers of this vile illness on here who obviously do know , who and are doing so much to raise awareness of dementia whilst fighting hard for themselves , I find their personal insight invaluable.

My mum was different .
I only wish TP was around so many yrs ago when we first knew something was wrong with mum ,

We can only do what we think is right at the time ,
If you dont tell , you can later,
 

RosmaryW

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Hi, I think reading all your answers you have had some pretty sensible advice. You must talk to people though, you will drive yourself up the wall if you don't. TP is a great place for a good moan and also brilliant advice.Although it has probably been mentioned in your replies and I have missed it, do sort out the LPA as soon as you can it will save so much hassle later on. Best wishes Rose.

P.S We always refer to Mum's AZ as "Memory problems", we have told her she's got AZ but she's forgotten in 2 min's!! You do what you think best.
 

Katrine

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Adding my two pennorth

Dear JoJo36, having lived in dementia world for a few years now, with two very different relatives with vascular dementia, I find that truth, lies and reality are not the absolutes that I used to think they were. It is wrong to hurt people, it is right to keep them as safe and happy as possible. Do not feel guilty in seeking to protect your Dad from the fear and depression that you believe would result from telling him ‘the truth’.

Does using a dementia or Alzheimer’s label help the person with the condition? Some people, particularly younger people, want to know more about their illness so that they feel in control, can plan for their future and pursue worthwhile and fun activities (see numerous articles and stories in ‘Living with Dementia', the Alzheimer’s Society magazine). Many people, particularly older people, are too fearful of madness and ‘being put away’ so the label does not help.

From personal experience I would say don’t deny that there are memory problems, just use that term when Dad raises the matter himself. He may on occasion rationalise the changes as being temporary e.g. change in my tablets, cold weather, people forgetting to tell me things, etc. Don’t argue with this, but equally don’t collude with it by agreeing with him that nothing is wrong or that you did something wrong. You will find your own way of providing reassurance.

I don’t think it is necessary to make an ‘announcement’ to family members. You can say that your Dad has memory problems when it occurs in conversation. How far you go beyond this, particularly, at this stage, is probably the same as for speaking to other people outside the family, see below.

There will come a point where your brother needs support in dealing with his Dad’s illness, but at present he is in denial, as you know. Telling him that it isn’t easy coping with Dad is likely to provoke hurtful criticisms pointing out your inadequacy, ‘cos he’s coping fine thank you very much. Step away from this, it is your brother’s problem. Your brother doesn’t want his Dad or his family to be a focus for gossip or pity, and doesn’t want to deal with questions and suggestions from the family. It is understandable, but the burden of secrecy makes it impossible for you to get positive help and support for yourself if you are not ‘allowed’ to talk to anyone about it.

People can be extremely ignorant and insensitive when memory problems become apparent, and this can lead to self-imposed social isolation by the person with dementia because they have been embarrassed by what other people say to them: “You’ve just told me that!” “I told you about it last week, why don’t you write things down?” “I’m just the same, memory like a sieve” “The doctor can give you pills for that” “I hope you aren’t getting that Alzheimer’s disease” “Oh how awful, my auntie had that and she had to be put in a home because she was a danger to herself” and so on.

People can also be incredibly sensitive, helpful and positive. There are so many people who now have personal experience of a friend or family member with dementia that attitudes are changing fast.

My BIL, who is a very private person, shares an office with three other people, all of whom have parents with dementia. They have developed an emotional shorthand whereby they know when someone is having a tough time and offer advice and support in an appropriate manner. My OH is a senior manager who cannot easily talk about family matters at work due to his position, but he also has colleagues who know his situation. If he’s looking stressed and grim, or goes outside to take a personal phone call, one of these people will invite him for coffee, or make an excuse to speak to him after a meeting, to make sure he is OK and can talk if he needs to.

I am so impressed by how people are becoming able to support male work colleagues and friends in this way. Men usually have a horror of showing emotion, especially in the workplace, and can appear uncaring or angry so that people don’t want to reach out. Well done all those people who find a way to be supportive. It really is appreciated. I hope that in time your brother will find ways to deal with his Dad’s illness and be supported by his friends when he needs it.

In the meantime, you have come to the right place at TP. You have had so much brilliant advice already. Sending you love, Katrine x :):)
 
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hongkongsandy

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when i told mum, she said 'so i'm not mad then' i think its personal choice, you just have to go with what your heart + hope the timings right.
 

rev

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We have never told my father he has alzheimers. He's always denied anything was wrong with him and now it's at a stage where we can discuss things in front of him & he doesn't realise the significance of what we are saying. To be honest he can't remember anything he's done so telling him now would not make any difference. I think that it's been best for him not to know what is wrong with him but in the early stages it was very hard for my mother & I to not mention it in front of him. At the end of the day it's your decision and what you feel is best for your father.
 

Carolynlott

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Hi,
When Dad was diagnosed I was very new to all this. Dad didn't initially realise there was anything wrong with him, and when the consultant visited him to give us the results of his tests he told him "you have Alzheimers - you do know what this means, don't you?" It was so brutal and cruel. I think it affected Dad a lot - he used to cut articles on Alzheimers out of the newspaper.

Mum had had a terrible time coping with him so when she was diagnosed (the day he went into care) there was no way I was going to tell her, and so I never did. She used to get sad and say there was something "wrong with my head". I just used to tell her that it was just because she was getting old and it happened to everyone.
 

Jancis

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Hi,
Dad didn't initially realise there was anything wrong with him, and when the consultant visited him to give us the results of his tests he told him "you have Alzheimers - you do know what this means, don't you?"

I agree with Carolyn and just had to add...
I forgot to mention in my previous post that my relative is in a nursing home and when we attended a Best Interest Meeting with my relative's team of professionals about 18 months ago, the consultant psychiatrist boldly discussed my relative's condition in front of him. He said " Mr X will not get better he will only get worse, the form of dementia he has means he doesn't know where he is and he is unable to appreciate his surroundings". Fortunately my relative didn't appear to take in anything that was discussed at the meeting - he is quite deaf and I believe he was heavily medicated. I found the consultant's comments shocking at the time. I just wonder what consultants and GP's say directly to patients when there are no close relatives at hand?
By the way, the consultant was wrong, my relative does recognise and appreciate his surroundings!
 

trigger

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Hi JoJO I’m very shocked by your thread even more by the replies there are several reasons why I’m shocked (1) your dad was only diagnosed two months ago (2) he is only 68 years old (3) his GP has broke confidentially by telling you dads illness and even worse GP hasn’t told your dad, your making Alzheimer’s / dementia out to be something a patient with the diagnoses shouldn’t be told, well just look some of the TP members Barry, KenC, Norrm’s to name a few their hundres of dementia suffers all carrying on living quite a good quaility of life,

Trigger :mad:
 

Grannie G

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I didn`t tell my husband until he asked what was wrong with him. He knew it was more than memory problems. It was several months after diagnosis.
He was shocked and upset but fortunately didn`t understand the full implications. We now refer to it as Alzheimers but he sees it as a label for his terrible memory.
We know our family members better than anyone and should go by the way we feel, not by the opinions of others who do not know them.
It might be considered unethical to cause unnecessary suffering.
 

Davegy

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Have decided not to tell

We also decided not to tell my mother,mainly because it would serve no purpose and we know that if she knew she would worry about being a burden on us, which she would never be.

Ruth my mother has been diagnosed 5 years ago with Alzheimers but I feel she has had this many years before which would explain situations that we just put down to old age.

I have had a massive learning curve and have learnt how to slow the Alzheimer affects down by a lot. One of the main help is the day centre where my mother goes to twice a week. The Curzon centre is staffed by volunteers and a bus picks mum up in the morning and provide entertainment, keep fit, lunch, sometimes day outs. This has had enormous benefits and mum really looks forward to going. She can't remember what she has done but she knows she likes it.;)

So when she asks what is wrong with her I just remind her her memory is not so good, she is 86 and is quite happy with the answer although I can be asked the same question a thousand times a day.:rolleyes:
 

trigger

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Peter V. Rabins, M.D., M.P.H, Codirector of the Division of Geriatric and Neuropsychiatry at Johns Hopkins, offers advice on this difficult decision.



Most Americans expect that their doctor will inform them of all medical findings and that they will be able to make their own decisions about their health care. Alzheimer's disease, however, presents two unique problems. First, many patients are unaware that they have a memory problem and, even when informed, are not able to understand or accept this fact. Second, since memory is impaired in all patients with Alzheimer’s disease, they often cannot remember the medical information once they have been told.



What, then, should doctors and caregivers tell patients with Alzheimer’s disease?

The American Medical Association recommends telling a person that he or she has Alzheimer’s disease, if at all possible, which means taking into account the degree of remaining cognitive function. A recent study, however, indicates that doctors are far more likely to give the diagnosis to a family member than to the person with Alzheimer’s disease. Researchers surveyed 57 family members of people with dementia and found that 93% had been given the diagnosis by the doctor, but only 49% of patients had been told. Of the patients who were told, 46% took the news well, and 51% reacted poorly. However, family members still overwhelmingly thought that a person diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease should be told the truth (72%).
 

JoJo36

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Hi Trigger,

I totally understand why you think people should know if they have Alzheimers; I knew when I posted my thread that quite a few people would disagree with my decision not to tell Dad...

However, as you can see, lots of people chose not to tell their loved ones, it's down to individual circumstances I guess.

I'm just protecting my Dad, as I know he would take it very badly and give in.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one - but thanks for your comments.

JoJo
 

trigger

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Hi JoJo thanks for the reply as you say you know your dad my point was when some people find their forgetting things and possibly their personality is changing after their told the have dementia problems they start to pick up, “I did” and like your
dad I’m 68 and suffered with Alzhiemer’s for a few years please don’t think I was directing my comments at you personally as you say agree to disagree I wish you and your well
 

JoJo36

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No worries Trigger, I didn't take it personally - I truly wish you all the best :)

Take care
JoJo :)
 

geordielass

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doesnt know he has Alzheimers

Hi,
we have a very very good family friend, he has Alzheimers but he is unaware of this, My friend his lovely wife looks after him very well. He seems unaware of lots of things and on occasions has been very angry (he was always a very gentle man) but we decided not to say anything, because I dont think he would be able to take it in., but all very frustrating as we feel so helpless,and take each day as it comes.:eek:
 

thesmiths

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My dad was diagnosed with vascular dementia a few months ago after a stroke and he is in a nursing home with my mum. We went to see a specialist and my dad went in with her alone and I don't actually know (although I should have asked as I went in to talk to her after) whether she told him or not although he was quiet when he came out. However, we haven't mentioned it since as to be honest he would deny it and get worked up over it. He does know his memory isn't great but I don't see the point in upsetting him further. He has also been diagnosed with prostate cancer and we went to the consultant together and got told this, but the next day he was telling people he had the all clear, so I know there is no point in telling him he has dementia.
 

DaveH

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Very tricky, this. My Mum was never told, because that's the way my Dad wanted it, and she's now way beyond understanding. Dad buried his head in the sand and pretended nothing was wrong.

We feel it's sad that she never had the chance to write letters or scrapbooks for her great-grandchildren (first one due in October) or do any of the things she might have wanted to do before it was too late. Also, she would probably accept some of the things she now objects to so strongly, had she known what was happening to her and had the chance to adjust gradually while she still had some cognitive function. I'm thinking about things like respite carers coming in to take over from my Dad from time to time - she doesn't understand why they need to be there and makes Dad's life hell after they've gone.

I, at 60, suspect I'm going the same way. Whether or not I'm right, I'd hate not to know what was coming. There are so many things I want to do while I still can. Think about Terry Pratchett and all that he's achieving - he'd be leading a very different life, without the knowledge of his dementia.

Of course, everyone's different, and many would do better not to know. The important thing is to do what the 'patient' would want, not what others around them might want, and it sounds as though you have done that, JoJo, or at least tried to.