Siblings intentionally set out to exclude me

DiscoD

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Hi, I’m new and this is my first post.

My mum had the definitive diagnosis of Alzheimer’s in February 2020 after having the tests at the end of January. Her deteriorating memory had been an issue for a long time. In 2018 I took over collecting mums’ pension from Post Office. The pin number she’d had since she’d retired was just forgotten, and it had to be reset.
In February 2020 whilst withdrawing her pension I noticed that her pension for that week wasn’t showing on her balance. I thought that maybe it was a system fault and the payment was late. The next week the same thing happened. I called the Post Office to find mums pension had been diverted into a different bank account. I asked mum to ask sister1 if she had any knowledge of this. Sister1 told my mum she knew nothing about it. I texted my sister to say that if she didn’t know anything about it then a fraud had taken place and something needed to be done, like reporting it to the police. This is when she came clean and admitted she had done it.
Sister2 had taken a look through mum's Post Office statements, had seen I’d on occasion taken extra monies for mum, and had decided that I was taking it for myself. Rather than speak to me they both got together, went behind my back, diverted her pension into a joint account that sister1 had with her, lied to me about it and low-key accused me of stealing from her (which sister1 said she wasn’t doing, but she really was)
As sisters, we aren’t all that close. I left home at 19, married at 20, and had 4 children. Both my sisters are single mums. At one time we all used to live in the same town 5 mins from each other. Sister2 ended up moving back in with mum and dad numerous times when things with her latest fella fell apart. She ended up moving back to the town where my parents lived with her daughter. Sister1 also moved back to the same town, very close to where mum lived after her son moved in with his partner. My sisters ended up working at the same place whilst I was unemployed and looking for a job and still living in the neighboring town some two and a half miles away from where I grew up and where my mum and sisters live. My dad passed away in 2010.
Since the incident with my mums’ pension, I’ve had hardly any contact with either of my sisters. Sister2s behavior has always been indifferent towards me. Sister1 became distant. Looking back, I realise now that over the past 2 years, they have set out to purposely exclude me from anything regarding mum. Any appointments she’s had I’ve found out later about. Rather than ask me if I’d take her to appointments as I was available, they would take time off work to accompany her themselves instead. I wouldn’t be told the outcomes of these appointments, I’d only get something vague from mum about what had happened. Maybe I was complacent in my attitude and I should have spoken up more. I did try and broach the issue with mum but she would tell me that it was best to let sister1 deal with things because mum didn’t want sister1 upset. I didn’t want to cause problems for mum.
Then the week before Christmas mum slipped on some ice whilst out on a trip and fell. Mums’ friend wanted to call sister1 but mum said no, she didn’t want to be told off by her. I saw mum the day after her wrist was very swollen and bruised. She’d been to the local chemist. His advice was to take painkillers, use a compression bandage and if it wasn’t looking any better in 48 hours then call 111. I called 111 when I was there, and I spoke to a lovely nurse, who after getting all the details gave the same advice as the chemist. My mum called sister1 that evening to tell her what she’d done.
Two days later I received a nasty text from sister1 asking me why the hell I hadn’t taken mum for an x-ray, saying that I probably couldn’t be arsed and that I had no duty of care. I was upset and couldn’t bring myself to respond to her and get drawn into a confrontation. I called mum and we talked about what sister1 had said. My lovely mum said to me ‘don’t worry about it, she’s always nagging that’s just what she does, it goes in one ear and out the other and I just nod my head and agree with what she tells me’ she then blew a raspberry. I saw her the day after and the swelling had gone down significantly on her wrist. She spent Christmas with my sisters as she has always done for a good many years. My mother-in-law used to spend Christmas with us but she’s gone into a specialist dementia care home as she has vascular dementia and can’t take care of her herself anymore. My husband is struggling to cope with his mum’s condition and hasn’t really responded very well, but that’s a whole different story.

Anyway, the following week I went to see mum and she wasn’t in. I let myself in to just check (I once called around to see mum mid-morning to find the door locked and the blinds down. She was still in bed asleep, scared me a little though when I could see the shape of her body in her bed knowing I had to go in and check.) I assumed mum was out with her 2 friends one of which she’s been friends with since the 1960s. I wasn’t worried. I was due to start a new job the following week and didn’t know what my shifts would be so I couldn’t pin down a time and day to visit just then. I phoned on New Year’s Day and got no reply. I thought that she was spending New Year with sister1 as well as Christmas. I started my new job and in the following weeks called around twice more to find mum wasn’t in and still could get no reply on the phone. In hindsight, I should have done something about not being able to get in contact with mum before, but I honestly thought that if anything bad had happened sister1 would at least have the heart to let me know, really, I should have looked at her past actions, but I didn’t want to think the worst of her.
My home life hasn’t been easy for a few years now. My husband hasn’t worked since 2007 because of health conditions. In the past few years, his depression gets the better of him more often than not even though he’s on anti-depressants. He takes tramadol for his pain and in total takes 13 tablets a day. He has bad days more often than good days with his health and mobility. He gets anxious if I’m away from the house for longer than I say I’ll be, he can be difficult and makes being around him hard work, I try my best to make sure I don’t antagonize him. I started my first job in years in September 2022 and he made it very clear he didn’t like me working at this job. He wasn’t happy with the late evening shifts I was rotated to do. He likes routine and my shifts upset him. He built up the pressure week after week for me to leave, I lasted 3 months before I left, and I did have another job lined up which I’m four weeks into now. The shifts are better.
The latest installment in this saga happened last week. Sister1 texted me and said they needed mums house key from me as they needed to give it to carers. As I only visit her once a week, they didn’t think there was any point in me having one. I was to put it in an envelope and post it through mum’s letterbox. I was annoyed but held off firing a text back. Sister1 sent me the same message on Facebook by messenger, I don’t really use Facebook and didn’t see this message until much later. Over the weekend my youngest daughter who still lives at home got a message from sister2 via Instagram for her to get me to read my messages, which I thought was out of order. Sister2 tried the same thing with my daughter on Facebook, my daughter blocked sister2. The next day sister2s daughter began trying to send the same message to my daughter via Instagram and Facebook and later in the same day tried this with her twin sister who was visiting us for Sunday lunch. My daughter told her to stop messaging her as it was harassment and she didn’t want to be drawn into their drama. That evening I sent a text to sister1 asking politely if she could fill me in regarding mum’s care plan seeing that they’d arranged for carers to call on her. Sister1 messaged me the next morning. She told me that she and sister2 had a lasting POA together for mums’ health and financers, and I would not be involved so I should leave the key as asked.
Not one word from sister1 about where my mum is. I want to see mum; can she stop me? I don’t know what to do next. I really don’t want to cause a fuss and upset mum. I’m trying to be calm about things, I would just like some answers but I think I may get nowhere with this. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thank you.
 

Grannie G

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Welcome @DiscoD

Your life seems to be full of conflict and upset and I've no idea how you are keeping your head above water.

Would it be a terrible thing for you to step back from this continued aggravation from your sisters, even at the risk of not being in contact with your mum?

Your sisters must have power of attorney if they were able to change your mothers pension accounts otherwise it would not have happened.

I wouldn`t give up any keys. If your sisters want to give keys to carers they can have some cut. I would ignore any messages and ask your daughter to ignore messages too.

Argument is a two way process. If you ignore all messages from your sisters they will soon get tired of sending them The same for your daughter.

You have enough to worry about having a husband who needs so much attention.

I understand the last thing you want is to lose contact with your mum but you are fighting a losing battle and only hurting yourself by responding to this ill will from your sisters.
 

MaNaAk

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Dear @DiscoD,

A lot of your post reminds me of my own past experience. Do not give up that key as @Grannie G advices and do your best to ignore those messages. Looking back on my experience I had two manipulative bullies who were not involved in dad's care but we're interested in their inheritance. I have hardly any contact with them now and I am much happier.

MaNaAk
 

Palerider

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Hi, I’m new and this is my first post.

My mum had the definitive diagnosis of Alzheimer’s in February 2020 after having the tests at the end of January. Her deteriorating memory had been an issue for a long time. In 2018 I took over collecting mums’ pension from Post Office. The pin number she’d had since she’d retired was just forgotten, and it had to be reset.
In February 2020 whilst withdrawing her pension I noticed that her pension for that week wasn’t showing on her balance. I thought that maybe it was a system fault and the payment was late. The next week the same thing happened. I called the Post Office to find mums pension had been diverted into a different bank account. I asked mum to ask sister1 if she had any knowledge of this. Sister1 told my mum she knew nothing about it. I texted my sister to say that if she didn’t know anything about it then a fraud had taken place and something needed to be done, like reporting it to the police. This is when she came clean and admitted she had done it.
Sister2 had taken a look through mum's Post Office statements, had seen I’d on occasion taken extra monies for mum, and had decided that I was taking it for myself. Rather than speak to me they both got together, went behind my back, diverted her pension into a joint account that sister1 had with her, lied to me about it and low-key accused me of stealing from her (which sister1 said she wasn’t doing, but she really was)
As sisters, we aren’t all that close. I left home at 19, married at 20, and had 4 children. Both my sisters are single mums. At one time we all used to live in the same town 5 mins from each other. Sister2 ended up moving back in with mum and dad numerous times when things with her latest fella fell apart. She ended up moving back to the town where my parents lived with her daughter. Sister1 also moved back to the same town, very close to where mum lived after her son moved in with his partner. My sisters ended up working at the same place whilst I was unemployed and looking for a job and still living in the neighboring town some two and a half miles away from where I grew up and where my mum and sisters live. My dad passed away in 2010.
Since the incident with my mums’ pension, I’ve had hardly any contact with either of my sisters. Sister2s behavior has always been indifferent towards me. Sister1 became distant. Looking back, I realise now that over the past 2 years, they have set out to purposely exclude me from anything regarding mum. Any appointments she’s had I’ve found out later about. Rather than ask me if I’d take her to appointments as I was available, they would take time off work to accompany her themselves instead. I wouldn’t be told the outcomes of these appointments, I’d only get something vague from mum about what had happened. Maybe I was complacent in my attitude and I should have spoken up more. I did try and broach the issue with mum but she would tell me that it was best to let sister1 deal with things because mum didn’t want sister1 upset. I didn’t want to cause problems for mum.
Then the week before Christmas mum slipped on some ice whilst out on a trip and fell. Mums’ friend wanted to call sister1 but mum said no, she didn’t want to be told off by her. I saw mum the day after her wrist was very swollen and bruised. She’d been to the local chemist. His advice was to take painkillers, use a compression bandage and if it wasn’t looking any better in 48 hours then call 111. I called 111 when I was there, and I spoke to a lovely nurse, who after getting all the details gave the same advice as the chemist. My mum called sister1 that evening to tell her what she’d done.
Two days later I received a nasty text from sister1 asking me why the hell I hadn’t taken mum for an x-ray, saying that I probably couldn’t be arsed and that I had no duty of care. I was upset and couldn’t bring myself to respond to her and get drawn into a confrontation. I called mum and we talked about what sister1 had said. My lovely mum said to me ‘don’t worry about it, she’s always nagging that’s just what she does, it goes in one ear and out the other and I just nod my head and agree with what she tells me’ she then blew a raspberry. I saw her the day after and the swelling had gone down significantly on her wrist. She spent Christmas with my sisters as she has always done for a good many years. My mother-in-law used to spend Christmas with us but she’s gone into a specialist dementia care home as she has vascular dementia and can’t take care of her herself anymore. My husband is struggling to cope with his mum’s condition and hasn’t really responded very well, but that’s a whole different story.

Anyway, the following week I went to see mum and she wasn’t in. I let myself in to just check (I once called around to see mum mid-morning to find the door locked and the blinds down. She was still in bed asleep, scared me a little though when I could see the shape of her body in her bed knowing I had to go in and check.) I assumed mum was out with her 2 friends one of which she’s been friends with since the 1960s. I wasn’t worried. I was due to start a new job the following week and didn’t know what my shifts would be so I couldn’t pin down a time and day to visit just then. I phoned on New Year’s Day and got no reply. I thought that she was spending New Year with sister1 as well as Christmas. I started my new job and in the following weeks called around twice more to find mum wasn’t in and still could get no reply on the phone. In hindsight, I should have done something about not being able to get in contact with mum before, but I honestly thought that if anything bad had happened sister1 would at least have the heart to let me know, really, I should have looked at her past actions, but I didn’t want to think the worst of her.
My home life hasn’t been easy for a few years now. My husband hasn’t worked since 2007 because of health conditions. In the past few years, his depression gets the better of him more often than not even though he’s on anti-depressants. He takes tramadol for his pain and in total takes 13 tablets a day. He has bad days more often than good days with his health and mobility. He gets anxious if I’m away from the house for longer than I say I’ll be, he can be difficult and makes being around him hard work, I try my best to make sure I don’t antagonize him. I started my first job in years in September 2022 and he made it very clear he didn’t like me working at this job. He wasn’t happy with the late evening shifts I was rotated to do. He likes routine and my shifts upset him. He built up the pressure week after week for me to leave, I lasted 3 months before I left, and I did have another job lined up which I’m four weeks into now. The shifts are better.
The latest installment in this saga happened last week. Sister1 texted me and said they needed mums house key from me as they needed to give it to carers. As I only visit her once a week, they didn’t think there was any point in me having one. I was to put it in an envelope and post it through mum’s letterbox. I was annoyed but held off firing a text back. Sister1 sent me the same message on Facebook by messenger, I don’t really use Facebook and didn’t see this message until much later. Over the weekend my youngest daughter who still lives at home got a message from sister2 via Instagram for her to get me to read my messages, which I thought was out of order. Sister2 tried the same thing with my daughter on Facebook, my daughter blocked sister2. The next day sister2s daughter began trying to send the same message to my daughter via Instagram and Facebook and later in the same day tried this with her twin sister who was visiting us for Sunday lunch. My daughter told her to stop messaging her as it was harassment and she didn’t want to be drawn into their drama. That evening I sent a text to sister1 asking politely if she could fill me in regarding mum’s care plan seeing that they’d arranged for carers to call on her. Sister1 messaged me the next morning. She told me that she and sister2 had a lasting POA together for mums’ health and financers, and I would not be involved so I should leave the key as asked.
Not one word from sister1 about where my mum is. I want to see mum; can she stop me? I don’t know what to do next. I really don’t want to cause a fuss and upset mum. I’m trying to be calm about things, I would just like some answers but I think I may get nowhere with this. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thank you.
You clearly have a lot going on and I wouldn't have been so passive. The first thing I think is a red flag is asking you for the key back to give to the carers -why couldn't your sisters get a spare key cut rather than you give up access to see your mum OR you get a spare key cut for the carers?

Have you seen any actual paper Lasting Power of Attorney -have they produced this for you to see and check? And who organised the LPA and in what circumstances?

Can they stop you from seeing your mum -no they can't, but they can try but this is not uncommon in families where one sibling takes it upon themselves to control everyone else regardless of the bigger picture.

Be interested to know how your getting on with this...
 
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Palerider

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I've got a similar on going issue myself with a sibling who has a track record of causing trouble with people and has made contact almost impossible with my mum. I can't say much but my sister has managed to manoeuvre herself into a position of great power. You can find yourself stuck between a rock and a hard place in that any interaction with my sister is incredibly stressful as she is such a nasty, intimidating person who doesn't see or care that her behaviour has upset so many people. On the other hand, I haven't been able to have contact with my mum for over two years now. Social services are usless, she's run rings around them. Doing nothing is tough, but so is doing something.
Hmm I sent my brother packing at the first signs of this nonsense and he has not spoken with me since plus there were other behaviours my brother took but that is another story. Although I am mums main carer and hold LPA I don't stop him or his selfish family from visiting their mum/grandmother I don't see that as having anything useful to achieve other than seeking my own gratification which to me is pointless.

I think you need to address this behaviour and the fact that even though there are clear differences in sibling opinion you are entitled to see your mum. Can you elaborate on what the issues are that are stopping you?
 

Chaplin

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I would take a step back from your sisters. Why don’t you send your mum a nice card to say you are thinking of her and hope to see her soon. Don’t get drawn into any of the upset with your mum so you can maintain a positive relationship with her.
 

Banjomansmate

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I would take a step back from your sisters. Why don’t you send your mum a nice card to say you are thinking of her and hope to see her soon. Don’t get drawn into any of the upset with your mum so you can maintain a positive relationship with her.
The only trouble with that idea is the sister may make sure Mum doesn’t see it but no harm in trying anyway.👍
 

canary

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What is awful is that this afternoon I have just seen for the first time some of what I can only describe as horrific messages that were sent to my brother accusing me of all sorts of dreadful things that are untrue. Mum and I previously had a very good relationship and I have been told by my sister that she now wants nothing to do with me. What really bothers me is that this has all come from my sister and not my mum. 'Mum says this, mum says that'. They are things that I know Mum would not say unless she has been manipulated
It may well have come from your sister, but do also be aware that people with dementia do get delusions that a family member is being horrible to them

My mum had a period when she thought I was stealing from her, shouting at her and hitting her - all completely untrue, but she told all her neighbours this and I got some very strange looks from them. A friend of hers told me what she had been saying and I was horrified because we had always been very close.

Im afraid that delusions are part and parcel of dementia and people who dont know much about the disease can take what they say at face value. Im not saying that this is definitely what is happening in your case, but do consider the possibility.
 

Palerider

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These scenarios are always difficult @Rob_E and they come up over and over again on TP

I think @canary raises a good point here where PWD can and do say things that may not be the reality. Its difficult to say if things like this should be taken seriously or not because there may be something in it or it may be completely confabulated. I also think siblings can be very emotionally reactive, strong emotion can create significant problems, even if those emotions are unfounded. Money is another driver for some family members to seek control and dominance which can bring out the worse in people, putting aside any concern over mental health.

My story is a long one and is not the same as yours @Rob_E -but it did involve my older brother doing some pretty awful things while my mum was in the early stages, so she was fully aware of what had gone on and she asked me to speak to her solicitor to make it stop. He was overly imposing, controlling and nasty and disregarded my mums ability to make her own decisions, frequently visiting her while I was work and stirring her up into an emotional wreck over things that just did not concern him or me -everything he was kicking off about was already in the hands of mums solicitor who was dealing with the aftermath of my dads death and also enabling my mum to nominate her LPA's -it was all about money and nothing else in my brothers eyes. Luckily mums solicitor got so sick of him going to his office everyday he told him to get out as he was representing my mum not him. I also had my own altercations with him and his wife and so did mum and there our ways parted.

Although things got ugly I never wanted to or felt the need to stop my brother from visiting, because essentially it wouldn't change a thing and initially he visited when I was present, though it was difficult I tolerated it for mums sake and to make her feel safe that someone else was there, because as with many mothers the emotional ties are strong and at the end of the day he was her son, just like me. In time the visiting stopped as he realized there was nothing financially to be gained and since then he has never visited mum, only his son my nephew and even that is strained as it is so infrequent the carers ask him who he is.

I think as siblings one of us has to take the high road and see beyond the constant petulant arguments that arise, most of which are charged with emotion or motive for some reason which when reduced to their roots are actually quite petty and don't warrant the behavior's some people exhibit. For me my mum is the most important person in all of it, and if that means her son no matter what he has done wants to visit I am not going to stop him or stir up a hornets nest in doing so.
 

Palerider

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There's a lot of good sense in this thread. I've largely had to step back, mostly because trying to hold a sensible coversation with my sister is impossible. You know what they say about arguing with fools. Whatever I say is wrong and she always twists anything I say to make me look bad. And yes, there is a great deal of pettiness. One example is that she rang me up to talk to me but it wasn't convenient to talk. Didn't hear anything from her then for a week or so and just assumed that it couldn't have been that important as most people would just call back at another time if it was. Not her though. I recieved a fairly lengthy email listing various grievances. One of which was citing that I wouldn't speak to her on the phone about something important. So over time I choose not to talk to her, though of course that is interpreted as me not caring or being interested in mum. Nothing could be further from the truth, for the sake of my own health and sanity I had to step back. Correspondance would almost always end with me shaking with anger or being upset.

Money is certainly a big part of the problem, when after more than a decade of caring for mum I put my hand up and said I now longer could do and felt it was time for full time care was what brought this on. She moved mum in with her and her partner but I am concened that they are going to try to continue to care for mum when she would be better off in residential care. She doesn't want to lose her inheritance, I'm past caring about that. I know from my own experience how difficult it is, especially when it goes on for years.
I think the important thing is not to keep on reacting to your sister and as you are doing be more proactive. All kinds of things get stirred up and they are specifically targeted at doing as much damage as possible because the emotions behind it are that powerful whether its just strong emotional revenge or motivated by something else -its important to recognize that rather than continually engage going round in circles. It can be very difficult to gauge what some ones true intent is, so I would focus on the well being of your mum and your own well being rather than your sisters behavior's while trying to seek some resolution. Of course its all easier said than done, but as always with these scenarios we have to figure them out the best way we can -I don't know if anyone else has anything to offer ....
 

MaNaAk

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I think the important thing is not to keep on reacting to your sister and as you are doing be more proactive. All kinds of things get stirred up and they are specifically targeted at doing as much damage as possible because the emotions behind it are that powerful whether its just strong emotional revenge or motivated by something else -its important to recognize that rather than continually engage going round in circles. It can be very difficult to gauge what some ones true intent is, so I would focus on the well being of your mum and your own well being rather than your sisters behavior's while trying to seek some resolution. Of course its all easier said than done, but as always with these scenarios we have to figure them out the best way we can -I don't know if anyone else has anything to offer ....
I agree. You have to ignore your sister and concentrate on your mum because invisibles and bullies will find anything to criticize.

MaNaAk
 

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