Please help re: unmarried & tenants in common

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With a 20+ yr age difference my partner and I are not married but for 20 years have been tenants in common. Our Wills state either can remain in the home when one of us dies, then our chosen beneficiaries (children from previous marriages) inherits when the other dies. My partner 20 yrs + pays all the bills. We have a joint bank account that his pensions go into and the bills get paid. I’m noticing he’s repeating himself a lot. Often the same question 3x in an hour, or less. We have no POA in place. It’s been a very very difficult relationship and whilst I work pt now, I’m in my early 60’s and feel fragile and exhausted. Can someone enlighten me as to what the future might hold as things stand and what would be the effect on me if my partner made his daughter POA and not me? - Thank you.
 

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His daughter would have full financial and/or health and welfare control.
It would not affect the wills.
Thank you. I realise she could not affect the wills but me and her father live as husband and wife but I assume she as POA would make all the decisions re: the bills and me drawing money on the joint account etc. It’s like she would be imposing in our house - and I would need her permission, would that be correct? - would I be removed from our joint account?
 
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nitram

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me drawing money on the joint account etc.
An attorney acting because donor has lost capacity cannot delegate power.
The solution could be to change the joint account into two sole accounts with joint expenses being shared.
The attorney could decide that the donor can carry on paying the bills because they can afford it.
He could choose you as attorney and daughter as replacement attorney,
 

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Apologies, this is probably quite simple but not for me!! My partner pays ALL the bills from HIS money that goes into a joint account. I do not contribute to it. My pt work is just pin money. If he becomes mentally incapacitated and his daughter is POA, she can make all the financial decisions and me none? If I’m not contributing financially and we’re not married I’m thinking I could just become an unpaid carer? ?
 

nitram

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Based on what would happen if he went into residential care.
You can split the joint account into two.
He can put half of all pensions excluding DWP into your account plus pay half of any maintenance cost on the house.
 

Missginny26

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With a 20+ yr age difference my partner and I are not married but for 20 years have been tenants in common. Our Wills state either can remain in the home when one of us dies, then our chosen beneficiaries (children from previous marriages) inherits when the other dies. My partner 20 yrs + pays all the bills. We have a joint bank account that his pensions go into and the bills get paid. I’m noticing he’s repeating himself a lot. Often the same question 3x in an hour, or less. We have no POA in place. It’s been a very very difficult relationship and whilst I work pt now, I’m in my early 60’s and feel fragile and exhausted. Can someone enlighten me as to what the future might hold as things stand and what would be the effect on me if my partner made his daughter POA and not me? - Thank you.
I can see your frustrations and I feel for you. Good that your wills are sorted though. Sadly none of us have a chrystal ball to see into the future. I would definitely see a good solicitor for advice to start with.
 

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Thank you. I think it’s going to take a solicitor as you say. I think not being married and not being POA either, doesn’t leave me in a good position. I couldn’t decide to sell the house and his daughter (if POA) could leave me as the carer and if I felt he needed to be in a home she wouldn’t want that as it would eat into her inheritance.
 

nitram

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Now would be a good time for him to choose POA(s) and act on the decision, this would remove a lot of uncertainty and prevent a possible deputy application in the future.
 

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Yes. Thank you, that’s what I’m thinking. I don’t want any future hassles it will be too stressful and costly. I need clarity now, if his daughter is his POA that’s not a good situation for me despite what you previously said.
 

nitram

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Have you made LPAs, if not both of you can make them at same time.

I'm thinking about about making an LPA, would you be an attorney?
 
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B00

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Yes he has capacity but I’m noticing he’s getting very forgetful asking the same thing 3 times in less than an hour sometimes. I don’t think I should be forced to marry, we’ve been together 28 years so that ought to say enough but sadly I have no rights.
 

nitram

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If so get married
Or civil partnership, either of which would invalidate the wills.

You could use same wording in new wills with a clause that they only come into effect after you marry each other or enter into a civil partnership.

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Maybe a codicil to existing will, ask a solicitor.
 
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Never cease to amaze me what you learn on here, I never knew marriage or a civil partnership invalidates a will. Nice one nitram. K
 

B00

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Yes it does invalidate a Will unless you see a solicitor before you marry. Then you inform them of your intentions to marry and you can say what you want to happen with your money when you die. My situation is I own half our house, I’m not wanting to inherit his half of the house but want to be financially secure and make the decisions whilst we’re together (should he become mentally incapacitated). Long story short , he will only marry me but he won’t enter a civil partnership.
 

Ellie2018

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I would do as suggested and see a solicitor - who knows this area. Although we are married and have LPA’s I know when the time comes my stepdaughter will make things as difficult as possible so if there’s any suggestion if that’s get as much sorted as you can now before they can suggest that he doesn’t have capacity. Our solicitor engaged a doctor to advise whether he had capacity and this is kept in file with wills and LPAs.
 

nitram

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My situation is I own half our house, I’m not wanting to inherit his half of the house but want to be financially secure and make the decisions whilst we’re together
Your current tenants in common and life interest arrangements does that and I think can continue after marriage, check with solicitor.
Marriage would also make it 100% guaranteed (unless law changes) that LA can't get his half of house to pay for his care.
 
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B00

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Thank you for all your help. Yes, it’s also in his interest to not insist on a marriage but have a civil partnership so that his daughter won’t lose her inheritance. Anyway, I still need clarity on my position as things are as he will only agree to a marriage.