This subject has popped up with me just recently.
My neighbour with, probably mid term dementia, had an accident at home last week and was taken to hospital by ambulance. Her family with LPA told the ambulance crew that she had DNAR registered with her GP so if she crashed on the way to hospital to let her go.
Now as far as I am aware, the idea of having DNAR registered with your GP was that the ambulance crew had access to your records through their computer and it would come up and they would know what not to do. This would then be passed on to the hospital.
When she was fully cognisant with her own health problems my neighbour told me that should I ever find her crashed out I was NOT to call an ambulance, or if I did I was to make sure they didn’t attempt resuscitation!
She now has no idea of her limitations, her family need to support her as her cognition is disappearing and she is only just managing to live by herself. Last week she came to me with a horrific looking injury. She had no idea how it had happened and didn’t even seem to feel any pain. I called the ambulance and her family and then left them to it!
Now to the ethics question and the point made by @Cap'n Grimm about do you respect a person’s wishes if they have lost capacity to understand what is happening to them?
On reaching hospital this nearly 90 year old lady with dementia and no understanding of her own physical and mental frailty was asked that if her heart stopped did she wish to be resuscitated ?
She said “Yes”! So they did, twice!
Would you say that was ethically right? Because frankly I think that is dreadful. All that is going to happen is that she will now be left to suffer what I suspect will be a long drawn out healing process, she is unlikely to be able to return to her own home and will just deteriorate until she dies. This is against all that she stated and wished for when she had full capacity and as a nursing sister she knew exactly what she was talking about.
So, what is the point of GPs asking if their patients wish for DNAR to be on their records if that information isn’t instantly available to hospitals, or they ignore it if it is? And should hospitals not check on the mental capacity and understanding of elderly patients before asking them a leading question ?
My neighbour with, probably mid term dementia, had an accident at home last week and was taken to hospital by ambulance. Her family with LPA told the ambulance crew that she had DNAR registered with her GP so if she crashed on the way to hospital to let her go.
Now as far as I am aware, the idea of having DNAR registered with your GP was that the ambulance crew had access to your records through their computer and it would come up and they would know what not to do. This would then be passed on to the hospital.
When she was fully cognisant with her own health problems my neighbour told me that should I ever find her crashed out I was NOT to call an ambulance, or if I did I was to make sure they didn’t attempt resuscitation!
She now has no idea of her limitations, her family need to support her as her cognition is disappearing and she is only just managing to live by herself. Last week she came to me with a horrific looking injury. She had no idea how it had happened and didn’t even seem to feel any pain. I called the ambulance and her family and then left them to it!
Now to the ethics question and the point made by @Cap'n Grimm about do you respect a person’s wishes if they have lost capacity to understand what is happening to them?
On reaching hospital this nearly 90 year old lady with dementia and no understanding of her own physical and mental frailty was asked that if her heart stopped did she wish to be resuscitated ?
She said “Yes”! So they did, twice!
Would you say that was ethically right? Because frankly I think that is dreadful. All that is going to happen is that she will now be left to suffer what I suspect will be a long drawn out healing process, she is unlikely to be able to return to her own home and will just deteriorate until she dies. This is against all that she stated and wished for when she had full capacity and as a nursing sister she knew exactly what she was talking about.
So, what is the point of GPs asking if their patients wish for DNAR to be on their records if that information isn’t instantly available to hospitals, or they ignore it if it is? And should hospitals not check on the mental capacity and understanding of elderly patients before asking them a leading question ?