Coconut Oil: overcoming TP taboos

CollegeGirl

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Thanks all. Important meeting tomorrow re anti-psychotics.

(I think hitting my dad - regularly - over the head with chopping boards, plates or anything else that comes to hand constitutes a risk of physical harm to others ;))

Am still interested in the coconut oil theory, will keep an eye on this thread.
 

velo70

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coconut oil

If you log onto google with the 'using coconut oil in recipes, there are loads of suggestions as to it's use. We do not use it extensively but select some uses that we find appeal. Like others, I would love to see positive reaction from my wife as a result of using coconut oil, but am happy to give it a run. When we use it, we both have the same meals. I couldn't feel happy otherwise. Following this thread with great interest.
 

ockc

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4 doctors on coconut oil and Alzheimer's

I see that Alzheimer's Weekly has posted this excerpt from a discussion between four doctors discussing coconut oil and Alzheimer's.

"Dr. Anderson advocates coconut oil for his nursing home's Alzheimer's & dementia diet.

He explains 3 core benefits:

1. Coconut oil is rich in MCTs, which provide ketones as brain backup fuel. This can help offset the lack of energy from glucose that is common to a brain with dementia.
2. Coconut oil offers a low-carb solution to insulin resistance from diabetes. (Type-2 diabetes is common in seniors with dementia. Alzheimer's is sometimes called Type-3 diabetes.)
3. Dr. Anderson sees these benefits incidentally improving problems of agitation, behavior and too many pills."

I've found some recipes for BE. However, for my father, our scope is somewhat limited by the restrictions on the food textures we can give him, as recommended by his swallowing specialist - otherwise he runs the risk of choking. So the coconut oil is stirred into his porridge at breakfast, his soup at lunchtime and his yoghurt at dinner time. We've also developed a substitute for his tea (which he also can't have), namely hot milk with honey and coconut oil. He seems to enjoy all of these.

Maybe we'll be able to make his range of low carbohydrate foods more interesting in due course as the carers have noted that he is eating much more calmly than before.

Anyhow, we've decided to make a documentary about coconut oil and dementia to summarise our experience of this with my father, as well as trying to get to the bottom of why it is that no-one wants to research it (or indeed vitamin B12, turmeric or saffron). We filmed the first interview today: medical journalist Jerome Burne, who wrote the Daily Mail article 'Can coconut oil ease Alzheimer's? Families who've given it to loved ones swear by it'.

Will see if the Alzheimer's Society would like to explain its policy as quoted in the article, namely that while it 'wouldn’t discourage anyone from taking it . . .  there is not enough evidence to suggest that coconut oil or ketones have benefits for people with Alzheimer’s, so we would not consider funding research into it’. Hoping they will agree to be interviewed.
 

Big Effort

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Dear ockc,

Anyhow, we've decided to make a documentary about coconut oil and dementia to summarise our experience of this with my father, as well as trying to get to the bottom of why it is that no-one wants to research it (or indeed vitamin B12, turmeric or saffron). We filmed the first interview today

I admire you for your stance. I would join you, except that I have other pans on the fire. If you take on the "ignorant majority" (my provocative phrase, which responsible socialogists would term "the comfortable majority') you will need a lot of energy, the support of a core group of people who tend to you, and be prepared to take a lot of stick. I have campaigned for Missing People (and the Irish police and politicians did not want to discuss serial killers - we had at least two); the environment; womens' issues; rural bachelors; government mis-spending (Ireland again); listed buildings..... you name it. 20 years on I had a lot of awards of recognition, some people who agreed and a nasty case of PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder).

I see a lot of parallels between dementia and other issues that don't get proper attention. It is a disease that mostly attacks the minorities (early onset folk and the elderly). The drugs that are available are massively profitable, Aricept being an example quoted in your link to the Daily Mail article. Coconut oil costs virtually nothing so these money-hungry organisations don't stand to gain. Governments and research funders are VERY UNLIKELY to listen to carers, patients doing well, as they kowtow to medically informed academia, believing their credibility rests in being accepted by 'those in power'.

The saddest thing is, time and time and time again, we see the big orgs get it wrong all the time. Example the EU right now. So many 'experts' at the table dominating every decision, and so little attention to the problems their decisions create for the poor citizen. Same for environment. Same for dementia. Some big canon sets the rules and 98% of the populace don't care enough to think it through, and if they do, and they do take a stance, it is very difficult to convince a deaf administration who duly believe they are "doing their best and following best practice". Over the course of the past 20 years I could show you hundreds of examples of this.

I could go on for ever. However I applaud you being one of the 2% who is pro change. What would we all give for a few open-minded people? The whole planet would change: no more hunger; much less conflict; happier workplaces; fair wages and fair prices; sharing and cooperation.

A final sad point. My area of speciality is moral competence. It is a growing field, thank heavens. The fact is, the average moral age of most of the adult population is age 4 to say, 10. 4 year olds just see their own needs. Some 10 year olds know sharing is necessary if they want to keep their friends. What do adults say? Well, sadly, they don't, they act like 4 year olds or 10 year olds. Two options then: they look out for themselves, OR they look out for the in-group (read their group).

In the research I carried out, the people most likely to score high on moral competence (by moral competence I mean making the rightest decision, amongst several difficult choices, that benefits the greater good and seldom themselves) were.....
a) those who have been pilloried e.g. Gandhi, Mandela,
b) campaigners (example the tiny group who were beaten up by Shell, west of Ireland, they had the highest score in all my research)
c) free thinkers (i.e. the Bob Geldorfs of this world who have enough money/power so they don't have to kowtow)
Those least likely to show moral competence were:
a) politicians (they scored worst of everyone)
b) well-paid employees (they will toe (almost) any line as they have a lot to loose)
c) members of groups (be that religious, NGOs, community and voluntary, sports etc. as their motivation is to be accepted by the 'in-group' [we will have to see how the next Pope fares, poor guy!]

So, ockc, I admire you. It isn't an easy path, but it will certainly move you up in the ranks of the morally competent, as you will face tough decisions, and you will clearly see the tragic face of the morally-bankrupt people who are in power and intend to remain there. Do keep us informed. Good luck. It only takes one person to tip the scales, and most of us carers know we are being terribly, terribly undersold, as are our loved ones. Things could be so much better. People like you are the fore-runners of change.

But bear in mind, the jury on coconut oil is still out as real research hasn't been done. Maybe the wisest route is for people like us here to insist that research is funded? Then we would know.

Please be aware that I am voicing my own opinions and experiences of campaigning and trying to wake up the 'comfortable majority'. This should not be taken as advice, activism or support. It is merely an opinion based on my years as a campaigner. Good for you though!

Here is a nice quote I just found, quite apt for you:
“Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
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Big Effort

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Coconut oil arrived already

Just a quick heads up.
The coconut oil I ordered from Coconoil UK has already arrived (2 days to France).
460 gram pots of virgin, organic coconut oil are £5.50 until end of March if you order 12 pots. Carraige is free to UK. Seems an excellent deal, as same stuff from H*B health food store is about £15 per pot when not on special offer.
www.coconoil.co.uk
email Bamberwatson@aol.com
It tastes good. Thanks for the recommendation, I am glad I took your advice.
 

ockc

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Press office

Can I point out that if you want some kind of feedback or comment from the society this (as in the Talking Point forum) is not the place to ask for it. Try here http://forum.alzheimers.org.uk/faq.php?faq=about_talking_point#faq_journalistsandmedia

Thanks, Jennifer. I did realise and spoke to the Alzheimer's Society press office this afternoon. They weren't sure if they would have the resources, though, to provide someone for us to interview but asked me to send them an e-mail, which I've done.
 

ockc

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A brighter future

... I applaud you being one of the 2% who is pro change. What would we all give for a few open-minded people? The whole planet would change: no more hunger; much less conflict; happier workplaces; fair wages and fair prices; sharing and cooperation.
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But bear in mind, the jury on coconut oil is still out as real research hasn't been done. Maybe the wisest route is for people like us here to insist that research is funded? Then we would know.

Many thanks, BE. Well, if my father going through what he's going through doesn't help anyone, what's the point?

Thanks also for the fascinating insights into moral competence.

I'm also no stranger to campaigning and only decided to go ahead with the idea because we do have some relevant connections and we know how to make and distribute films.

The question is what is worse: sitting in our own corner trying to help my father under our own steam while despairing at the unfairness of the world or doing something to try to see if there can be enough evidence to persuade research funding bodies to take coconut oil/ketones seriously so that no-one else has to go through the same thing again.

Realistically, even if the antipathy towards researching treatments which cannot be patented were to disappear miraculously tomorrow, any clinical research probably won't yield results before they are too late to help my father.

In the meanwhile, and in the total absence of any other solutions, we'll see how far the coconut oil gets my father, interview the people we have in mind and try to relax somewhere in between. By the way, talking of relaxing, have you come across Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir before?
 

snedds57

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I got three large tubs of coconut oil through the post...on offer from coconoil.co.uk and no postage cost within three days or ordering. You can use it for frying, baking, etc. My OH ate it off the spoon. You can stir it through veggies instead of butter - think sweet root veggies would be good. You can spread it on sandwiches! If you like the taste of coconut..it shouldn't be a problem!

My view of this is that, like evening primrose oil and menstruation/menopause - it will work for some but maybe not for others..but surely it's worth a try! :D
 

ockc

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Kal Parmar

Finally got to meet Kal Parmar this afternoon. His father's case was mentioned in the Daily Mail article, although there weren't a lot of details about what difference the coconut oil had actually made.

By this time last year, Kal's father had severe Alzheimer's, eg, being unable to do anything for himself, telling Kal's sister to get out of his house after he failed to recognise her, being aggressive, stopping speaking, etc. However, after watching the same video I had about the experience of Dr Mary Newport, he started giving his father two teaspoons of coconut oil a day (much less than we are now giving my father). His family were very impressed with the results.

Apparently, he gave a radio interview last week on London's LBC. Judging by the phone call he had while we were talking, there may be something about coconut oil and Alzheimer's in a Sunday paper this weekend. Looking forward to reading that ;-).

His aim now is to raise the £3 million or so needed to fund a clinical trial of the effect on dementia of the ketone ester developed by Professor Kieran Clarke at Oxford University. This was the research on which Dr Newport had based her calculation (actually back in 2003) that she needed to give her husband 2 tablespoons of coconut oil per day to give him the equivalent quantity of ketone ester.
 

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Hi Big Effort,

Been following your posts. Been fighting with the US ALZ blog. They are totally locked into a pharmaceutical approach over here. Very frustrating, but not surprising. You must be busy since your mailbox is full and you aren't answering your private email, I guess this is how we communicate.

Richard
 

Big Effort

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Fear Not, Richard..... I hear you

Hi Richard,
Two bits of good news:
a) I have cleared my Inbox, really cleared it.
b) You have saved me a lot of time in saying the US Alz are also exhibiting hysteria regarding Coconut Oil. So I don't have to butt my head on yet another wall.
[I could interpret this a glorious intervention of the Universal Good, as my reserves are currently low, and I don't feel like a battle or even a squirmish! Thank you!]

I did get your email. Thanks. Lack of response is due to the horrible personal drama I have been going through in relation to Mum's Giant Slip. You know, I used to be the positive, stable, insightful one here...... and this slip has reduced me to tears, suffering, desperation, doubt, exhaustion, mental 'flu' and much more.

I have to tell you, maccare, Richard, that you are sorely needed here. You are an experienced user of coconut oil. You also know its potential (again, I stress the potential is for some, perhaps not everyone, or some may need different doses to achieve the same effect - also to a novice reader, the evidence is not yet in as to whether coconut oil even helps at all, now disclaimer over), and it is a challenge to swim against the tide of conservative thought.

Right now I am kicking myself hard because I didn't try coconut oil as soon as Mum was diagnosed. If it can do what it does for her now at this advanced stage, imagine what it could have done when she was just searching for words and coming up blank?

Also I am endeavouring to allow coconut oil be a valid point of discussion. Obviously I am not prescribing others to use it. Obviously I am aware that the research hasn't been done. Yet those of us who have used it out of sheer desperation are noticing something positive. I am frustrated to bits that conservative mindsets and authoritarianism are yet again working to ensure Light Workers/Path Finders are seen as heretics. In the Dark Ages about 5 million women were burned at the stake because religion feared their insights and skills into healing. Here too, there is a glimmer of hope. It could be a flame, the flame that urges mainstream science to really research this brain-oiling compound. And if it turns out to be just wishful thinking (desperate thinking?) and the Placebo Effect, well no harm done. Science has done what it does best: finding the evidence.

Sorry not to have replied. I have been through a 'Dark Night' of my own.
As a spiritually evolved person, and you have already shared that with me, you will understand why I have been caught up in my own evolutionary issues.

With love, maccare (the coconut oil trail blazer) and Richard (the Alz carer and deeply spiritual beling), BE
 

Wolfsgirl

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This is quite facinating - would so love to claw a little bit of Mum back but it seems that it would be awkward until legislation is in place before it can be used in care homes?

Thank you so much everyone for sharing I want to keep hearing about this and probably most people do who are affected!!!

:D
 

Big Effort

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Hi Wolfsgirl,

I live in France so don't know about UK. It is not possible for you to give your loved one natural remedies like echinacea, or kombucha, or arnika? Surely coconut oil is just an oil, much like great parts of the population take omega 3 as fish oil.

It gets stranger and stranger. Noxious 'tablets' with enough side effects to be really scary get dished out with impunity..... are you sure you can't supply coconut oil to people in care homes? Why even not?

Glad you are enjoying the thread. By the way, you can take coconut oil yourself, don't have to wait for dementia to start nourishing the brain with transfats. Hubby and I are starting, had our steak cooked in a tiny bit of coconut oil. Love BE
 

ockc

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US ALZ blog?

Been fighting with the US ALZ blog. They are totally locked into a pharmaceutical approach over here. Very frustrating, but not surprising.

Any links so that we can see what they are saying?
 

ockc

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Mum's Giant Slip?

... horrible personal drama I have been going through in relation to Mum's Giant Slip. You know, I used to be the positive, stable, insightful one here...... and this slip has reduced me to tears, suffering, desperation, doubt, exhaustion, mental 'flu' and much more.

Sorry to hear that, BE. Take care.
 

ockc

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Legislation?

This is quite facinating - would so love to claw a little bit of Mum back but it seems that it would be awkward until legislation is in place before it can be used in care homes?

Not sure what legislation you're hoping for. There is the Mental Capacity Act in the UK. If someone lacks the mental capacity to decide on the appropriate treatment they should receive, such decisions must be made on the basis of what is deemed to be in their "best interests", and not just their medical best interests.

Maybe you could persuade your mother's GP to write to the care home on the basis of what you consider to be in her best interests?

By the way, this US study came out a few months ago saying that a high carbohydrate diet is almost 4 times more likely to lead to mild cognitive impairment (and hence Alzheimer's/dementia) than those who consume a lot of fat or protein.

The 1989 Kitava study looked at the medical state of one of the few populations in the world which still had more or less the same diet as they did in the paleolithic era. It found that they had no heart disease, no diabetes, no obesity, and no dementia. Apart from very high levels of vitamins, minerals and soluble fibres in their diet, they had a high consumption of coconuts ... .
 

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Morning to you all. I've been reading all your postings with interest and am going to try my OH with it to see if it does help. He is diagnosed early stages Va.Demensia.

A couple of questions, sorry if they've been covered but am trying to untangle all the information buzzing round in my head :- Do you increase the dose from teaspoons to tablespoons or start straight away with the 6 tablespoons. Do you add the CO in solid form or always have to melt it?

Thanks in advance to all you clever and informative posters, I always feel like I muddle
around in a thick fog!

I's our Memory Clinic Coffee Morning tomorrow so I will try and get a disscusion going.
 

Big Effort

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Hi Reggie,
I am not an expert yet, so I hope some of our longterm experts will have their say. In the meantime, here are basic answers:

You start with low dose, say one teaspoon per serving three times a day. Work up to 3 tablespoons over time. Why? Apparently some can have tummy upsets. Mum had no adverse reaction, in fact tends to constipation, so coconut oil fixed that.

Hard or soft. Coconut oil gets pretty hard if kept low temperatures (i.e. our normal house temperature). It melts into oil at 28 C. When it is in solid form it is like butter in the fridge, so not easy to blend (hide?) in food. You could spread it on crackers like butter (which Mum likes). I give it to Mum in a hot, milky drink. I find those instant sachets of cappucino ideal, the drink is hot, melts the coconut oil instantly, and the fat globules are hidden under the froth of the cappucino. Great for a fussy eater. Mum just loves it, oil and all.

Warn your members of discussion group that it has a temporary effect, not a cure for dementia. And I would be extremely interested in your feedback.

Best of luck and hope it 'oils' the cogs for your husband too. Mum is not in good cognitive shape at all, but the difference is being 'locked in' when she wants to talk, or being able to communicate. It varies from day to day, sometimes she is very fluent and fine, others very patchy, there are big fluctuations even with oil. Without oil..... disasterous!

Thinking of you and hoping your husband is one of those who thrives on it. Hugs BE