Where to put the anger?

Pipeth

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I can cope with the with the poor memory, the sundowning, the repetition,need for routine, sleeplessness, the moods but not being able to share lifes joys...Yet again been up all night because he is anxious about a family occasion... All I want to do is make my daughter a 40th birthday cake and take it to her to share a birthday tea with my grandchildren. As always he doesn't want to go anywhere, but now he doesn't want me to go...sat here so angry and upset, its been like this to long....attending occasions on my own...its sucked the joy out of life, my children are hurting and upset for me..where do I put this anger and grief? He has been saying He wants to die,he doesn't know what to do, he is spoiling things for me...I am trying to reassure him and hold myself together, love lies pouring out of my mouth, its okay, we don't have to go, while inside I'm screaming but I want to go....my daughter needs me to .... i need to see her and my grandchildren..have a nice time....he is asleep now why I try and calm down and have a rant on here. How have others coped, do we just give up!
 

marionq

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On something important then you have to go. If you don't the resentment will build up and your frustration become unbearable. Can he be left alone but in phone contact? My husband couldn't after the first few years so if I had to go then he had to go with me. Ive never allowed my children to dictate my life and on something like this I wouldn't allow my husband to do so either.

Having said all of that I am a prisoner too but it is because my husband is too lame and too far gone to cart him around. He does go to day centre four days a week and for those few hours I get a chance to be more normal. I don't really discuss plans with him - I just make arrangements and then he's off before he knows what's going on.
 

Pipeth

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Just read back my post after reading other threads, of course we don't give up...apologise for my pathetic rant, full of self pity. My husband has vascular dementia, he will deteriorate so I must make the most of what we have now. Can I ask if any one else has had a partner who won't go anywhere where it involves socialising. I don't know where to go with this. I have tried encouraging him to try, I have gone alone, now I feel I can't leave him. This had progressed over ten years! We had diagnosis finally of vascular dementia last week, when doctor told him about support groups he refused to even consider it, I feel up against a brick wall.
 

Grahamstown

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I can cope with the with the poor memory, the sundowning, the repetition,need for routine, sleeplessness, the moods but not being able to share lifes joys...Yet again been up all night because he is anxious about a family occasion... All I want to do is make my daughter a 40th birthday cake and take it to her to share a birthday tea with my grandchildren. As always he doesn't want to go anywhere, but now he doesn't want me to go...sat here so angry and upset, its been like this to long....attending occasions on my own...its sucked the joy out of life, my children are hurting and upset for me..where do I put this anger and grief? He has been saying He wants to die,he doesn't know what to do, he is spoiling things for me...I am trying to reassure him and hold myself together, love lies pouring out of my mouth, its okay, we don't have to go, while inside I'm screaming but I want to go....my daughter needs me to .... i need to see her and my grandchildren..have a nice time....he is asleep now why I try and calm down and have a rant on here. How have others coped, do we just give up!
Do not ever apologise, you are allowed to rant and say whatever you want on TP because it’s the only place you can scream your pain. I am going through the same feelings which shows you that you can come away from home and have a lovely holiday but you can’t leave the old problems behind in your house. Any chance and he starts drinking and it affects him and drives me mad because he can’t see it. Hugs @Pipeth and keep letting off steam.
 

Pipeth

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Marionq, thank you for your reply. I have left him with phone contact over the years, but now he gets anxious about being alone. He has deteriorated since January and gets very emotional, so I am concerned about his reactions in company, not wanting to spoil any special events. Also he has been saying he wants to die when je is upset, so would be to worried at the moment to leave him alone. His moods change so quickly, he goes from being extremely happy to depressed when anxious. I'm sure you will know how this is. I have eased off going anywhere and think now this was a mistake. I understand what you are saying that I must do what I can while still able, we seem to be in a different phase, so I will see how today goes, one day at a time at the moment I think. Thank you X
 

Pipeth

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Hi Grahamstown, you have started my tears again, thank you it helps to cry it out. Your support is so appreciated, at the moment there is so much going on in the family and I don't want to put my problems on my children's shoulders, they are wonderful and deserve not to be put upon. The one thing I hate dementia for the most is the way it has ruined family life. I am sure another phase will come along when I will be leading him by the hand everywhere, the children are missing our involvement and I am missing them, we all live at a distance. I am sure you are having moments of despair to, as you say we take dementia with us wherever we are, thank you for reminding me, it helps. The drinking and driving is a worry for you, just informing the DVLA for my OH. Sincerely hoping you are enjoying yourself when able and sending hugs.X
 

Hazara8

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I can cope with the with the poor memory, the sundowning, the repetition,need for routine, sleeplessness, the moods but not being able to share lifes joys...Yet again been up all night because he is anxious about a family occasion... All I want to do is make my daughter a 40th birthday cake and take it to her to share a birthday tea with my grandchildren. As always he doesn't want to go anywhere, but now he doesn't want me to go...sat here so angry and upset, its been like this to long....attending occasions on my own...its sucked the joy out of life, my children are hurting and upset for me..where do I put this anger and grief? He has been saying He wants to die,he doesn't know what to do, he is spoiling things for me...I am trying to reassure him and hold myself together, love lies pouring out of my mouth, its okay, we don't have to go, while inside I'm screaming but I want to go....my daughter needs me to .... i need to see her and my grandchildren..have a nice time....he is asleep now why I try and calm down and have a rant on here. How have others coped, do we just give up!
You never give up because you care. But dealing with dementia in a loved one sets certain parameters which if you choose to ignore, will come back to bite you with a vengeance -- unless you do not care. But it is clear that you do care and that nobody needs to inform you of what that entails. Already you have taken on board all the salient features of this unremitting disease and simply ask to spend a moment of time with your daughter and the grandchildren. Totally reasonable and understandable. Therein lies the perpetual problem. Dementia, alas, is the antithesis of all that and as it resides in the body of the one you care for and love, makes it virtually impossible to address without that frustration, that stifled anger, that 'inner scream' welling up inside of you .... all of which can, unfortunately be markedly picked up by the one you care for, even if you are not aware of it. A kind of vicious circle confronts you and that is not good for you nor the one you care for. And you need to see your own daughter and take that cake! This means we look to ways and means. Are there other family members? Has daycare been considered? Do the family members realize what you have to contend with in actual fact or do you, like so many of us, soldier on and don't ever contemplate unburdening your woes on anyone else, least of all family?! What would normally entail just a moment of planning and preparation (the birthday visit) now becomes virtually a non-runner because the implications seem to overwhelm everything about it. Dementia sets priorities whether we like it or not. In the daycare centre, there are folk with dementia who come in to allow that moment of 'respite' for their carer. A few hours of activities, chatting, tea and biscuits, maybe a film or whatever, just in order to give THEM a change, but most certainly to allow their carer 'time out'. But then you need to enjoy a degree of cooperation, as many folk with dementia are so withdrawn to such an extent that they refuse to leave the house come what may. So perhaps a Carer to visit the house for a given period, whilst one goes shopping, or maybe visit a daughter? Whilst it often seems simply a hopeless scenario, it need not be so and it is so important that the Carer looks after themselves, else slowly fall victim to fatigue, depression and eventual inability to cope.

Social isolation seems to be an integral part of dementia as it enters mid to latter stages and it varies in that regard. We have to accept that the disease is the culprit and NOT the person. We have to accept that unless we change, the dementia most certainly will not - not ever. That change will affect our lives if we are willing to be the Carer and that we also accept, else leave it to another and get on with your own life (won't happen).

And yes, day to day, whilst something of a cliche, is nevertheless a prudent credo to adopt. Each and every case is different. My own direct experience with Alzheimer's and vascular dementia mirrors your own in so many ways. But I do not have a family. I have siblings. But unless 'family' spend time in your shoes and that means more than a few hours, they cannot understand at all what you are dealing with, let alone how you feel inside. And of course you do not wish to engage them with that, because it has to be a commitment to have any meaning and that will simply not happen.

I hope that you are able to arrange that 'birthday' date, by hook or by crook.

With warmest wishes.
 

Rosie4u

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I can cope with the with the poor memory, the sundowning, the repetition,need for routine, sleeplessness, the moods but not being able to share lifes joys...Yet again been up all night because he is anxious about a family occasion... All I want to do is make my daughter a 40th birthday cake and take it to her to share a birthday tea with my grandchildren. As always he doesn't want to go anywhere, but now he doesn't want me to go...sat here so angry and upset, its been like this to long....attending occasions on my own...its sucked the joy out of life, my children are hurting and upset for me..where do I put this anger and grief? He has been saying He wants to die,he doesn't know what to do, he is spoiling things for me...I am trying to reassure him and hold myself together, love lies pouring out of my mouth, its okay, we don't have to go, while inside I'm screaming but I want to go....my daughter needs me to .... i need to see her and my grandchildren..have a nice time....he is asleep now why I try and calm down and have a rant on here. How have others coped, do we just give up!

It is a hard one - my OH doesn’t understand what is happening to us we went away to our favourite place last week and it broke my heart again and we won’t be going again. He has said a few time lately - I don’t like t(e way you speak to me / or don’t do this to me when I am at bursting point with frustration and anger. I find it hard to see joy in life - though I admit that the reverend at prince Harry’s wedding was uplifting.
I’m planning a visit to see my family soon as I Need to see them but sometimes it doesn’t seem worth the effort.
On the positive note we have some wonderful times and I try to appreciate them and file them away for later. We have to do these things so that we can have lovely things to talk about in the quiet hours.
 

imsoblue

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Do not ever apologise, you are allowed to rant and say whatever you want on TP because it’s the only place you can scream your pain. I am going through the same feelings which shows you that you can come away from home and have a lovely holiday but you can’t leave the old problems behind in your house. Any chance and he starts drinking and it affects him and drives me mad because he can’t see it. Hugs @Pipeth and keep letting off steam.
And @Pipeth if you didn't rant like that I would think it was only ME who had those feelings. There are probably quite a few of us nodding our heads while reading it. Your rant made ME feel better. Thanks!
 

imsoblue

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It is a hard one - my OH doesn’t understand what is happening to us we went away to our favourite place last week and it broke my heart again and we won’t be going again. He has said a few time lately - I don’t like t(e way you speak to me / or don’t do this to me when I am at bursting point with frustration and anger. I find it hard to see joy in life - though I admit that the reverend at prince Harry’s wedding was uplifting.
I’m planning a visit to see my family soon as I Need to see them but sometimes it doesn’t seem worth the effort.
On the positive note we have some wonderful times and I try to appreciate them and file them away for later. We have to do these things so that we can have lovely things to talk about in the quiet hours.
I get that "don't speak to me that way" but when he's crawling into bed without pulling the covers off first I do have a tendency to raise my voice (because once he lays down I will not be able to get him up. And, rather than the TV remote in his hand, he had his phone. Guess I do need to take a "chill pill" in hopes the anger and frustration will subside.
 

Pipeth

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Thank you all for the posts and words of encouragement and advice, The birthday cake is made and I intend to get on the bus in the morning. Hoping for a goodnights sleep tonight and off to bed now. Take care all.X
 

Pipeth

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You never give up because you care. But dealing with dementia in a loved one sets certain parameters which if you choose to ignore, will come back to bite you with a vengeance -- unless you do not care. But it is clear that you do care and that nobody needs to inform you of what that entails. Already you have taken on board all the salient features of this unremitting disease and simply ask to spend a moment of time with your daughter and the grandchildren. Totally reasonable and understandable. Therein lies the perpetual problem. Dementia, alas, is the antithesis of all that and as it resides in the body of the one you care for and love, makes it virtually impossible to address without that frustration, that stifled anger, that 'inner scream' welling up inside of you .... all of which can, unfortunately be markedly picked up by the one you care for, even if you are not aware of it. A kind of vicious circle confronts you and that is not good for you nor the one you care for. And you need to see your own daughter and take that cake! This means we look to ways and means. Are there other family members? Has daycare been considered? Do the family members realize what you have to contend with in actual fact or do you, like so many of us, soldier on and don't ever contemplate unburdening your woes on anyone else, least of all family?! What would normally entail just a moment of planning and preparation (the birthday visit) now becomes virtually a non-runner because the implications seem to overwhelm everything about it. Dementia sets priorities whether we like it or not. In the daycare centre, there are folk with dementia who come in to allow that moment of 'respite' for their carer. A few hours of activities, chatting, tea and biscuits, maybe a film or whatever, just in order to give THEM a change, but most certainly to allow their carer 'time out'. But then you need to enjoy a degree of cooperation, as many folk with dementia are so withdrawn to such an extent that they refuse to leave the house come what may. So perhaps a Carer to visit the house for a given period, whilst one goes shopping, or maybe visit a daughter? Whilst it often seems simply a hopeless scenario, it need not be so and it is so important that the Carer looks after themselves, else slowly fall victim to fatigue, depression and eventual inability to cope.

Social isolation seems to be an integral part of dementia as it enters mid to latter stages and it varies in that regard. We have to accept that the disease is the culprit and NOT the person. We have to accept that unless we change, the dementia most certainly will not - not ever. That change will affect our lives if we are willing to be the Carer and that we also accept, else leave it to another and get on with your own life (won't happen).

And yes, day to day, whilst something of a cliche, is nevertheless a prudent credo to adopt. Each and every case is different. My own direct experience with Alzheimer's and vascular dementia mirrors your own in so many ways. But I do not have a family. I have siblings. But unless 'family' spend time in your shoes and that means more than a few hours, they cannot understand at all what you are dealing with, let alone how you feel inside. And of course you do not wish to engage them with that, because it has to be a commitment to have any meaning and that will simply not happen.

I hope that you are able to arrange that 'birthday' date, by hook or by crook.

With warmest wishes.
Hazara8 I have just read your post again, yesterday it really didn't sink in, being tired and emotional. Thank you so much for sharing your own experience, understanding of the dilemmas dementia brings and pointing out what I needed to hear in my muddled mind. Heartfelt thanks for your precious time writing such a helpful post, your caring ways shine out of your post and has helped me regain some sanity. Warmest wishes to you.
 

Pipeth

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I get that "don't speak to me that way" but when he's crawling into bed without pulling the covers off first I do have a tendency to raise my voice (because once he lays down I will not be able to get him up. And, rather than the TV remote in his hand, he had his phone. Guess I do need to take a "chill pill" in hopes the anger and frustration will subside.
I know that frustration of husband getting on the bed before pulling back the covers, happening most nights now, if I'm not quick enough to intervene. It's all about being one step ahead now!
 

Hazara8

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Hazara8 I have just read your post again, yesterday it really didn't sink in, being tired and emotional. Thank you so much for sharing your own experience, understanding of the dilemmas dementia brings and pointing out what I needed to hear in my muddled mind. Heartfelt thanks for your precious time writing such a helpful post, your caring ways shine out of your post and has helped me regain some sanity. Warmest wishes to you.
Thank you, Pipeth,

That is a very touching post and greatly appreciated.

I return warmest wishes in kind.

H8
 

Pipeth

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It is a hard one - my OH doesn’t understand what is happening to us we went away to our favourite place last week and it broke my heart again and we won’t be going again. He has said a few time lately - I don’t like t(e way you speak to me / or don’t do this to me when I am at bursting point with frustration and anger. I find it hard to see joy in life - though I admit that the reverend at prince Harry’s wedding was uplifting.
I’m planning a visit to see my family soon as I Need to see them but sometimes it doesn’t seem worth the effort.
On the positive note we have some wonderful times and I try to appreciate them and file them away for later. We have to do these things so that we can have lovely things to talk about in the quiet hours.
It is sad when we won't return to places we planned, but just lately we have been looking through boxes of photos and memorabilia, my husband seems to enjoy it and although he forgets soon after, with little actual conversation from him, it's been a lovely way to spend positive time with him. He always made me laugh with his terrific sense of humour, looking through the photos seems to stimulate that and I get a glimpse of how he used to be. Thank you for the encouragement still to do the nice things, waiting to see what this morning brings, but intend to go to my daughters. Take careX
 

maryjoan

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Just read back my post after reading other threads, of course we don't give up...apologise for my pathetic rant, full of self pity. My husband has vascular dementia, he will deteriorate so I must make the most of what we have now. Can I ask if any one else has had a partner who won't go anywhere where it involves socialising. I don't know where to go with this. I have tried encouraging him to try, I have gone alone, now I feel I can't leave him. This had progressed over ten years! We had diagnosis finally of vascular dementia last week, when doctor told him about support groups he refused to even consider it, I feel up against a brick wall.
I am in your rocky boat as well. My Oh will not consider Memory Cafes, support groups etc etc because his vascular dementia 'doesn't affect' him. Hi Di Hi ! - it might not affect him, but it does affect me.....

You were not having a pathetic rant, not at all, not one bit of it! You were wanting a bit of something 'normal' in a life that is no longer normal.

We, you, me and all the carers, are the true victims of this disease - a lot of the PWD don't think it affects them. Before I read your post, when I was in the shower where I do a lot of my thinking, it occurred to me that there is no other illness like this insomuch that we carers are drawn into it so deeply and for so very very long.

I fostered a little boy with cerebral palsy from the age of 4 months until his death when he was 13 - he was a delightful lad and we all loved him like our own. But his disabilities grew with him, he was very hard work physically, even though I was younger then. BUT I didn't feel as though I was joined to him like a Siamese twin - with this awful dementia I do. I feel like you do, as though all real life is sucked out of us, and we exist just to facilitate our loved ones.......

How I wished that those in authority, for want of a better word, were obliged to read the posts on here........
 

kindred

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I am in your rocky boat as well. My Oh will not consider Memory Cafes, support groups etc etc because his vascular dementia 'doesn't affect' him. Hi Di Hi ! - it might not affect him, but it does affect me.....

You were not having a pathetic rant, not at all, not one bit of it! You were wanting a bit of something 'normal' in a life that is no longer normal.

We, you, me and all the carers, are the true victims of this disease - a lot of the PWD don't think it affects them. Before I read your post, when I was in the shower where I do a lot of my thinking, it occurred to me that there is no other illness like this insomuch that we carers are drawn into it so deeply and for so very very long.

I fostered a little boy with cerebral palsy from the age of 4 months until his death when he was 13 - he was a delightful lad and we all loved him like our own. But his disabilities grew with him, he was very hard work physically, even though I was younger then. BUT I didn't feel as though I was joined to him like a Siamese twin - with this awful dementia I do. I feel like you do, as though all real life is sucked out of us, and we exist just to facilitate our loved ones.......

How I wished that those in authority, for want of a better word, were obliged to read the posts on here........
I so agree with that, thank you. That was good to read what you said about the little boy. I helped care for my mother (paralysed, MS) along with my dad for many years and although that was grim it was nothing like as overwhelming as caring for Oh with dementia. I think that on top of all the dementia stuff, it's the loss of companionship that goes with it ... People with cancer, MS, Parkinsons can usually hold a conversation but gets to a stage when it's all flowerpot men language and a one way conversation. That's my thought anyone. So agree about existing just to facilitate our loved ones. I wonder if anyone in authority knows or cares this is going on? I used to feel the worse OH got, the more the social workers blamed me ...
 

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I understand your comments about social workers @kindred . I've just started on the path of trying to get help from social services as I feel that I might in some way be blamed for failing my dad. No one has suggested that but I suppose I have this irrational feeling that if I tried really hard I could make things better (I do know logically that I can't ). Of course dad is telling everyone that he doesn't need help and can take care of himself...he has no idea that the only reason is isn't starving to death in squalor is because I'm looking out for him, feeding him etc etc...

I'm not even living with my PWD but even so my world is heavily tinted by his needs. Yesterday I was accused of spending all my time at the next door neighbours and being a member of the mafia - but I can walk away. Even that is getting harder as dad is convinced that my home is where he lives...

I really feel for those of you who have partners with dementia. That must be so much harder to deal with.

Remember to look after yourselves too everyone!
 

kindred

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I understand your comments about social workers @kindred . I've just started on the path of trying to get help from social services as I feel that I might in some way be blamed for failing my dad. No one has suggested that but I suppose I have this irrational feeling that if I tried really hard I could make things better (I do know logically that I can't ). Of course dad is telling everyone that he doesn't need help and can take care of himself...he has no idea that the only reason is isn't starving to death in squalor is because I'm looking out for him, feeding him etc etc...

I'm not even living with my PWD but even so my world is heavily tinted by his needs. Yesterday I was accused of spending all my time at the next door neighbours and being a member of the mafia - but I can walk away. Even that is getting harder as dad is convinced that my home is where he lives...

I really feel for those of you who have partners with dementia. That must be so much harder to deal with.

Remember to look after yourselves too everyone!
Lovely to hear from you. Interesting about the mafia, they come into our conversations, too!! We are so used to being able to make things better for our families that it comes hard when we can't. Thank you so much for posting.