Thanks Beate the link was informative. It was the sleeping all the time and the reluctance to stand that alerted me to something being not quite right as it was the same symptoms oh had a week before he had to go off to hospital with a very serious uti and was on a drip for nine days to get his infection under control. This time it has been spotted straight away and he’s gone straight on antibiotics. So hopefully it will be sorted before he gets into such a state as before. Their not being able to explain that they are in pain makes it such a guessing game when caring for someone with dementia , I must admit I read with horror the statement that some doctor would not give antibiotics to someone with dementia as the uti is obviously so painful and upsetting!