1. Expert Q&A: Protecting a person with dementia from financial abuse - Weds 26 June, 3:30-4:30 pm

    Financial abuse can have serious consequences for a person with dementia. Find out how to protect a person with dementia from financial abuse.

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  1. sheelz

    sheelz Registered User

    Sep 1, 2014
    35
    Just lately I've noticed a very strong urine smell coming from my mum, especially if I follow her after she has been to the loo, she hasn't said she feels uncomfortable or her wee stings, she does drink lots of cups of tea daily (that's the only thing she will drink, except for the sip of water she takes with her tablets), is this normal ? Mum is 83 and was diagnosed with vascular dementia 3 years ago, she still lives on her own with family popping in.
     
  2. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

    Jul 26, 2014
    2,046
    Staffs
    Hi Sheelz,

    From my experience with my Mom if the smell is not normally there then I would suggest contacting the GP and getting either a swab test or a urine sample taken with regard to a urinary infection and maybe a blood test for any kidney problems.

    Just as an observation and I would imagine your Mum has not been experimenting:D, I used to do a lot of offshore sailing and on one trip after a few days I noticed that one of the crew started to have a strong smell in his wee.:eek: He had brought along his own brand of South African tea which had a high caffeine content and the smell soon went when he changed back to PG tips.:)
     
  3. Spamar

    Spamar Registered User

    Oct 5, 2013
    6,844
    Suffolk
    I'm constantly amazed by the things you learn on this site!
    Sorry, no suggestions to OP, not encountered that particular problem. Others will be along who have, I'm sure.
     
  4. susy

    susy Registered User

    Jul 29, 2013
    806
    North East
    Often people with dementia don't react the same way as people without dementia do when they have a urine infection. Is there anyway she would be able to give you a sample to take to the GP for it to be tested? If so then go for it and see what they say. I would be asking the GP surgery about it anyway and asking tier advice. They may well have more ideas.
     
  5. lin1

    lin1 Registered User

    Jan 14, 2010
    9,322
    Female
    East Kent
    Hi. I too advise getting a sample of urine tested for an infection
    Often older people and people with Dementia do not have the usual signs of an infection such as a temperature or feeling ill often the only sign something is wrong is being more confused/ agitated, having said that I remember a long time back reading on here of someone's parent who actually improved when they had a UTI

    Another thing it could be.
    Normally fresh urine has little or no smell, however stale urine pongs, what I am wondering if mum is not changing her undies and or washing/bathing regularly. I advise trying to go in with mum so you can see if this is the problem.
     
  6. daisydi

    daisydi Registered User

    Feb 25, 2015
    257
    Norfolk
    My mum quite often had a nasty smell about her. She was tested for infection but there was none. Unfortunately she was not changing her pads, underwear, clothes as often as she should have been and this was why she smelt. It was such a battle to get her clean but now she is in a care home so that's not my job anymore!
     
  7. henfenywfach

    henfenywfach Registered User

    May 23, 2013
    333
    rct
    Hi!..i suppose dealing with toilet issues can be quite difficult for the carer and the loved one.

    The only thing i can say is that going to the toilet like everything else we do is determined by a sensation and the thinking element if oh i need the toilet..like eating and drinking.

    If you are unaware that you need to go its possible to be unaware you are going initially.

    Obviously i have no info about your situation but in my dads we stumbled accross the fact that he was incontinent. He was still occasionally able to say im just going to the bathroom .

    I suppose it could be as others have said an infection .or unoticed toilet accidents drying and becoming stronger.

    No offence meant(i understand its quite a personal topic) just didnt want to go out without responding.
    Best wishes.

    Sent from my GT-I9505 using Talking Point mobile app
     
  8. piph

    piph Registered User

    Feb 4, 2013
    1,530
    Northamptonshire
    My Mum is quite incontinent now and often forgets to put a pad on, or soaks it so much that she wets her pants and trousers. She'll take them off and change into 'clean' ones - the pants are usually clean, but then she'll put the trousers on the radiator to dry. Obviously, non-dementia Mum wouldn't have done this, but dementia mum doesn't seem to realise that this makes them smell. She'll do it time and time again. I don't live with her, so it's difficult to get her to put them in the wash - the only things she seems to wash these days are pants, nighties and handkerchiefs. Very, very rarely do her outer clothes get washed unless I happen to notice a stain, and get her to change then and there. She wears different clothes every day, as is her habit from working in an office all her life, but unfortunately seems to have forgotten that they need washing in between wearings! If your Mum hasn't got a UTI, perhaps this could be the reason that she smells smells strongly of urine.
     
  9. sheelz

    sheelz Registered User

    Sep 1, 2014
    35
    Thank you all for your replies its much appreciated and no offense taken with any of them. My mum has stayed with us this weekend so I noticed the smell more, when she was showering this morning I took the bull by the horn and stayed in the bathroom and told her to wash with extra soap etc etc, thinking I was going to be told off, she took it and said 'ok, I will', I was so shocked !! Maybe it was a good day :rolleyes:. I shall ring her Drs this week to get a urine sample tested too. Thanks again everyone
     
  10. HelenInBC

    HelenInBC Registered User

    Mar 23, 2013
    243
    My mom's urine has a very strong, foul odor. It has been tested many times and normally there is no infection. It's common for elderly women to have bacteria in their urine, but it doesn't always mean they have an active infection that needs treatment. This I have learned through the last 6 years with my mom. Sometimes when she uses my bathroom at my house I have to clean the whole room afterwards to get rid of the odor!
     
  11. Lindy50

    Lindy50 Registered User

    Dec 11, 2013
    5,287
    Cotswolds
    Once again, piph, our mums seem to do similar things!

    I can't get mum to wear pads on a regular basis.....she wets herself and then often puts the pants / trousers over the radiator to dry. Sometimes they go into the airing cupboard - I opened this today to put in some clean towels, and was practically knocked over by the smell ....Then when I went to get her a drink from the pantry, I found some soiled pants drying on top of a box of chocolates! :eek:

    It's a permanent battle to maintain any degree of cleanliness for mum. In fact when I see it written down like this, I can't help but wonder how on earth any of us copes. It's an ongoing issue and I have to admit it does get me down sometimes.

    Lindy xx
     
  12. Flake

    Flake Registered User

    Mar 9, 2015
    222
    My mum also dries her underwear on the radiators. She will put pant liners on there too. These are normally left by 'that other woman' and she has thrown away bags of underwear which are discoloured as they are not hers! Seems to be a common theme and I expect we should all be aware of the dreaded UTI and the effect it can have :eek:
     
  13. patsy56

    patsy56 Registered User

    Jan 14, 2015
    840
    Fife Scotland
    I do ask mum about panty liners, she has enough but if "I run out I can always wash them" :eek:
     
  14. piph

    piph Registered User

    Feb 4, 2013
    1,530
    Northamptonshire
    #14 piph, May 4, 2015
    Last edited: May 4, 2015
    Are you sure we're not twins Lindy! ;) I had cause to go into Mum's bedroom the other day while we were there - the door, unusually, was closed, and when I opened it the smell of urine made me take a step back, it was so eye-watering! I've had so many battles lately asking if she wanted me to help her change her bedding, that I have to admit to cowardice, closed the door again and said nothing! But all the way home in the car I kept getting whiffs of it, and I hadn't even touched anything!
     
  15. sheelz

    sheelz Registered User

    Sep 1, 2014
    35
    Hi all, thanks again for your info and thoughts, just thought I'd let you know my sister took a sample to mums Drs yesterday and she has got a urine infection and is now on antibiotics. We have also learnt (via the smell)when she has accidents she drys her underwear and tights on the radiator ..............she would be very cross with herself if she knew:(
     
  16. Pete R

    Pete R Registered User

    Jul 26, 2014
    2,046
    Staffs
    Glad you have found the cause.:)

    Its is a horrible learning curve isn't it?:(
     
  17. sheelz

    sheelz Registered User

    Sep 1, 2014
    35
    Yes it is Pete R, when people ask how my mum is I always say she is very well in her own world. Thank god for this site, it's us that worry and try to do our best for them, it doesn't seem that long ago (about 5yrs ago)my mum use to say " if I don't clean myself properly or smell, you will tell me won't you,I won't mind" !!?? When I'm on a 'brave'day I hint to her, but then get my head bitten off............Nay mind at least we can share on here.
     
  18. lin1

    lin1 Registered User

    Jan 14, 2010
    9,322
    Female
    East Kent
    I am glad you found the cause
     
  19. patsy56

    patsy56 Registered User

    Jan 14, 2015
    840
    Fife Scotland
    I was wondering, mum had said she had to get up in the night a couple of times, I asked was it sore when she went...........too quickly she replied NO.
    Makes me wonder.
     
  20. Hera

    Hera Registered User

    Jan 9, 2013
    3
    Shropshire
    Looking after Auntie

    My Aunt lives with us, she is 89yrs and has been with us for almost 5 years since my mum died. She was diagnosed with Alzheimer's almost 2 yrs ago. She is very reluctant to wash and often wears the same clothes over and over again, we have the same issues of some of the people posting on here with dirty underwear drying on the radiator and outer clothes worn over and over again causing the most abominable smell - I bought her some pads but she keeps saying "she does not have periods" so does not need to wear them! I feel so frustrated by all this, I do all her washing and have to sneak into the room to "capture" the clothes she has worn for days. Luckily she does not get aggressive, but getting her in the bath is a constant battle of moans and groans, so I probably manage it two to three times a week as there is never any washing in between. I know no one can offer a solution but it is good just to know that others are experiencing the same things :eek:
     

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