Regional differences in care home prices

Discussion in 'Middle - later stages of dementia' started by Selinacroft, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. Selinacroft

    Selinacroft Registered User

    Oct 10, 2015
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    I believe there is a range of prices for Dementia care homes depending on postcode. I'm considering options and wondered if anyone would be happy to share some figures. I would be grateful for PMs if you would rather not post financial cost on thread.
    I'm especially interested in homes that say they provide "Dementia Care", not the full blown difficult behaviour homes whose 3 initials beginning with E , that I can never remember(not sure I need that yet)Residential Prices with or without nursing care included- whatever info anyone can give.
    Southern England, West/soutwest but I guess anywhere further east will be more expensive nearer London.
    Very grateful for any info so I can check the range .

    I am just thinking that if there were £200- 300 difference in cost per week - that would pay for more than a handful of visits worth of petrol.
     
  2. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
    15,638
    Male
    North Manchester
  3. love.dad.but..

    love.dad.but.. Registered User

    Jan 16, 2014
    2,904
    Maidstone.Kent
    Dad was in a dementia nursing home in Ashford Kent and at the time he passed away in March his weekly fees were £1300. Over 3 years ago when looking at dementia residential care homes and dementia nursing homes I looked at 16 and back then in the mid area of Kent fees as a self funder ranged from £950-1200 per week. Any that were less than that and were still £850 plus...only took early non challenging dementia and either wouldn't accept dad or I felt they did not have enough dementia expertise either for Dads stage then or as he declined.Dads fees rose each year by
    average of 7/8% so guess the others I looked at increased a similar annual amount.
     
  4. AitchM

    AitchM Registered User

    Mar 29, 2015
    13
    Female
    Yorkshire
    Hi, my parents are self funders in Notts @ £700/week each- both middle-late stage dementia care in a lovely home- long trip up the M1 tho
     
  5. malengwa

    malengwa Registered User

    Jan 26, 2017
    229
    Midlands area. Mum was paying 850 of which 155 would have been the nursring element, but in the end she got CHC fast tracked.
    typical costs when we were looking 650 to 750, a couple were less for a shared room, and a couple dearer but without any additional benefit.
    In my area, South west, typical more like 800 to 900.
     
  6. canary

    canary Registered User

    Feb 25, 2014
    6,250
    Female
    South coast
    Most of the costs of a care home are either staff costs or the building, so places with high house prices have high care home costs. The more staff you have on duty, the more it will cost too. Having said that, though. I do feel that some of the well known chains do inflate their prices a bit. Mum was in a small, independent, dedicated dementia unit that was a bit scruffy round the edges, but had lovely caring staff. We paid £990 a week at the end (it went up each year).

    The problems with homes that say they will accept people with dementia, but arent specialist dementia units is they tend to aim for elderly, frail people who might have a bit of early dementia in the mix. They wont accept people who what they consider to be "challenging" behaviour, although this "challenging" behaviour might be no more than being awake at night, going into other peoples rooms, being resistant to personal care, being incontinent or needing help with feeding - in short, all the normal behaviour associated with dementia. Once the PWD starts to display this kind of behaviour you are likely to be given a months notice (yes, its quite legal!).

    From your previous posts I think it very likely that one of these homes would not accept your dad, so your best bet would be to look for an EMI (elderly mentally infirm), or dedicated dementia unit, or to look at a place that has a specialist dementia unit within the home. It is also revealing to ask what behaviour they would not accept, which would give you an idea of when he would be likely to be asked to move.
     
  7. SnowWhite

    SnowWhite Registered User

    Nov 18, 2016
    701
    I looked at approx 14 homes last summer and there wasn't much under £800 a week and the most expensive was £1,050 a week plus extra if more nursing care was required. Some say they take people with dementia but they didn't really seem to know much about it.

    I have Mum in a respite place at the moment and it's council run and is marvellous. Really marvellous! its clean, roomy, very warm, the food is all homecooked and plentiful with lots of choice and the staff are lovely and well trained. I am paying just under £600 a week for that and it's worth every penny but unfortunately it's not permanent.
     
  8. canary

    canary Registered User

    Feb 25, 2014
    6,250
    Female
    South coast
    Thats a shame. Can you put her name down on the waiting list?
     
  9. jugglingmum

    jugglingmum Registered User

    Jan 5, 2014
    4,163
    Female
    Chester
    I live in ellesmere port, Cheshire, and I know that moving my mum from south hertfordshire to here will save a fortune in care home fees when the time comes (it hasn't yet)

    But I think you do need to factor in the toll that travelling takes on you as well as the costs and the benefits of being able to pop in for 10 minutes for things
     
  10. Kevinl

    Kevinl Registered User

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,317
    Salford
    The BBC have a calculator on the link below although what it's based on I don't know.
    There are no doubt regional variations but there are a lot of other factors. If I leave my house and go to the right there's a home 10 minutes walk away that cost (last year) £1,850pw, if I turn to the left the one a similar distance away is £780pw.
    My boss's mother was in a home in a nicer part of Cheshire and that was over £3k pw.
    There may be a regional difference but the difference within a region can be even greater.
    K
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37307856
     
  11. Theresalwaystomorrow

    Theresalwaystomorrow Registered User

    Dec 23, 2017
    150
    I’m on the understanding that NHS funding is available for Alzheimer’s regardless of assets but you just have to fight for it
     
  12. Kevinl

    Kevinl Registered User

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,317
    Salford
    See the CHC thread on the link below. CHC is available but only for nursing care and AZ unless accompanied by other medical conditions is not an automatic qualification, quite the reverse in fact. The symptoms of AZ are defined as social, not medical.
    K

    https://forum.alzheimers.org.uk/threads/chc-continuing-healthcare-support-thread.86059/
     
  13. 2jays

    2jays Registered User

    Jun 4, 2010
    11,105
    West Midlands
    Don’t know today’s figures...

    when mum first moved into care in 2010 in Shropshire, the fees were £500 per week

    We moved her in 2011 to South Buckinghamshire and the fees doubled

    Last year she was paying £1500 per week

    we had to pay one month fees after she died in November, even though we cleared the room within 2 days of her death and the room was occupied 4 days after her death.

    A charity run care home when she first moved there. Not sure of it’s official status now. Initially she was residential then was under the emi unit the year she died
     
  14. ossettbob

    ossettbob Registered User

    Jan 26, 2017
    22
    My SIL is in a nursing home in Yorkshire. The weekly cost for 2018 is £1077.00. Regarding CHC I doubt if you would get this. My SIL is bed-ridden mostly, has to be hoisted, can`t eat or drink much & is virtually force fed which she then spits out, doesn`t recognise my wife or her brother. doubly incontinent, incoherent etc.. Wife attended CHC assessment 3 weeks ago & was told she didn`t qualify as she didn`t score highly enough on the check list.
     
  15. Raggedrobin

    Raggedrobin Registered User

    Jan 20, 2014
    1,432
    Residential dementia homes I looked at in Worcestershire varied from £750, £850 to £1100 per week. My mother ended up in a nursing home which is £1200 per week.
     
  16. Lancashirelady

    Lancashirelady Registered User

    Oct 7, 2014
    106
    I can't help feeling that I m very lucky with my Mum, who pays £515 a week as a self -funding resident. Her Care Home is just that - homely, with lovely caring staff, and although it could do with some updating \I'd rather put up with that than worriying that Mum wasn't being looked after. Fancy furnishings are for our benefit - the PWD has little or no appreciation of their surroundings - and the home has activities and outings to occupy the residents. I have relatives who moan that Mum isn't being constantly stimulated but she would be exhausted by their expectations.
     
  17. skidpan

    skidpan Registered User

    May 27, 2013
    2
    Lincs
    My MIL is a self-funder in a lovely care home in East Lancs. Current cost is about £770/week. We've looked at moving her nearer to us to save on fuel costs for visits, but haven't found a home to match the one she's in so far.
     
  18. Peter_h

    Peter_h Registered User

    #18 Peter_h, Jan 24, 2018
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 24, 2018
    My wife is in a care home in Cheshire. Fees are £150/day payable in advance on the first of each month. Typical month is therefore £4500.
    The care is superb. We will eventually run out of funds and have to see what the local authority will provide. Most of the care homes in this area are in the order £3600/month upwards.
    Peter
     
  19. Liepy

    Liepy Registered User

    Oct 10, 2017
    15
    Mum in a nursing home in NW Lancashire. Self funding costs £600 a week. Looked after very well and no top up fees when her savings eventually run out
     

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