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Matthew1234

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My mother has dementia and other family members want to put her in a home. I feel that this isn't the best thing and keeping her with me is the best option. The thing is I live 100 miles away from her current home. I am told moving her to a new environment will have a damaging effect on her as people with dementia can not take change. Is this true ? She doesn't want to go in a home not one bit.

I have also discovered a family member has agreed that should my mother have a heart attack she should not be resuscitated. I was surprised at this. It seems wrong. Is this routinely done with people with dementia ? Can one family member allow this if other family members and the person with dementia doesn't want it ?
 

Beate

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No one wants to go into a home but I'm afraid you cannot factor that in. You have to do what's in someone's best interest, and sometimes that is a care home. How will you keep her with you if you live 100 miles away? Will you move in with her or move her to yours? Do you have a realistic idea of what caring for someone 24/7 entails? Things always look rosier from further away but I think you'll need to listen to the people closer to her on why they think she needs professional care.

If the person with dementia has no mental capacity and has not made an advanced statement about health decisions, then others will have to decide for them. This could be a health & welfare attorney or a next of kin. DNR (do not resuscitate) orders are common if rescuscitating someone would only prolong their suffering. If someone is frail and suffers broken ribs from being resuscitated after a heart attack, they might not have much quality of life left. Sometimes it's kinder to let go.
 

Matthew1234

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No one wants to go into a home but I'm afraid you cannot factor that in. You have to do what's in someone's best interest, and sometimes that is a care home. How will you keep her with you if you live 100 miles away? Will you move in with her or move her to yours? Do you have a realistic idea of what caring for someone 24/7 entails? Things always look rosier from further away but I think you'll need to listen to the people closer to her on why they think she needs professional care.

If the person with dementia has no mental capacity and has not made an advanced statement about health decisions, then others will have to decide for them. This could be a health & welfare attorney or a next of kin. DNR (do not resuscitate) orders are common if rescuscitating someone would only prolong their suffering. If someone is frail and suffers broken ribs from being resuscitated after a heart attack, they might not have much quality of life left. Sometimes it's kinder to let go.

She will move in with me. We have two spare rooms and access to carers. I am well aware of what 24/7 care is. We can provide good care and want to. I didn't say things will be rosy. The question was about whether the move in itself would cause damage or an advancement of her dementia.

I can see quality of life is decreased with dementia. Does this give one family member the right to say that the person should not be resuscitated ? Will resuscitation damage ribs or is this a possibility or a probability ? I know of other elderly people, older than my mother, who have been resussitated.

I don't see that its kinder to refuse to save a life. It must depend on the situation.
 

Beate

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It could, yes, but so could a move into a care home.

At some point the DNR discussion is one that's having to be held, and it's often initiated by doctors of patients in an advanced state of an illness like dementia, as they need to know what to do should such a situation arise. And yes, it can be kinder if someone's quality of life would suffer drastically. I know it's hard to accept if it's a loved one, but this disease is a brutal one and will not spare any punches in the end stages.
 

Matthew1234

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It could, yes, but so could a move into a care home.

At some point the DNR discussion is one that's having to be held, and it's often initiated by doctors of patients in an advanced state of an illness like dementia, as they need to know what to do should such a situation arise. And yes, it can be kinder if someone's quality of life would suffer drastically. I know it's hard to accept if it's a loved one, but this disease is a brutal one and will not spare any punches in the end stages.
Thank you for your advice.
 

karaokePete

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Hello @Matthew1234, you are welcome here.

It is true that a change of environment can cause problems for a person with dementia as they can become confused when they lose the anchor that is provided by the familiar and the anxiety that kicks in can cause a downturn, but then moving to a CH can also unsettle them for a time. I think if you are able and willing to provide the level of care your mother needs the SS would likely work with you. When my wife was diagnosed I was told that a care home would be a last resort and the decision only taken when care in the home couldn't provide adequate care and safety. I know that some people take a persons belongings like ornaments, pictures etc., to put in a new room to keep an element of the familiar in the new place.

You have, correctly, been advised that the end stages can be brutal - and that applies to all concerned. Here is a link to an AS Factsheet that will give you some general advice about these stages https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/sites...ds/factsheet_the_later_stages_of_dementia.pdf

The issue of DNR's is an emotional nightmare as far as I'm concerned. I went through it with my dad and know that one day I may face it again with my wife. I have discussed the issues with my wife. Did you ever discuss the issues with your mother to learn what she would want? My guiding rule is to do what the person concerned would want and be able to let go. Here is a link to another AS Factsheet about advance decisions in case it may be of some use to you https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/sites.../advance_decisions_and_advance_statements.pdf

Whatever you decide, I wish both you and your mother the best of luck. Keep posting on TP if you ever have a question or wish to share experiences or just vent feelings. This place works by virtue of the fact that we are all travelling the same rough road and are here for each other.
 

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Hello @Matthew1234 Caring for someone with dementia 24/7 can be done (many of us are doing it), but it is hard and it is unusual for someone to be care for at home until the end. Most people find that eventually dementia becomes too much for one person to cope with. The experience of caring for someone 24/7 is always unique as every PWD and their carer is unique, so it is difficult to compare experiences - even with the same carer.

I would recommend that you go and live with your mother for a week to see what it is like on a daily basis. It is only by actually living with that person that you discover what it is like. Many PWDs have what is known as "hostess mode" by which they can put of their best behaviour and appear much, much better than they actually are when meeting friends, relatives who they dont often see and doctors/authority figures. Problems at night can be "hidden" too. I did not realise until my mum came to stay with me that she was up all night confused and worrying about things that did not bother her during the day. That weekend was enough to tell me that I could not cope with her living with me - and this was before she had problems with incontinence and personal hygiene!

If you go ahead and have her living with you do think about what your lines in the sand will be - what you wouldnt be able to cope with. Many people cant cope with incontinence and doing personal care, for others it is aggression and violence, for many, many of us it is the unrelenting being "on duty" 24/7 without a moments break (not even to go to the loo) and the broken nights.

Please, please consider a Plan B for if/when it doesnt work out as you expect and/or you can no longer cope. No
one with dementia wants to move into a care home and they will usuall fight tooth and nail against it, but, unfortunately, there comes a time when you have to look at what they need, rather than what they want, or what you would have wanted for them.

Re the resuscitation: the reality is not like they show you on TV - in reality it is quite brutal and broken ribs are very common, especially in elderly frail people. Even if there are no fractures there is still extensive bruising which can be very painful. It is also pretty common in the elderly frail for someone to be resuscitated, only for their heart to stop again within the next couple of weeks. I did not want my mum to go through a traumatic experience only for her to spend the last few weeks of her life in pain, so I signed a DNR (Do not resuscitate) form for her. In fact, I never needed that form as she never had her heart stop, so she went through the stages of dementia to the bitter end when she lost her swallow and it took 19 days for her body to shut down. I would have far, far rather that she had died of a heart attack.
 

Sirena

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Re DNR, I had a care review meeting about my mother last week, and the care home manager asked me about a DNR. My mother is 83, very frail, and is towards the end of mid-stage dementia. I decided it would be kindest to put a DNR on her file. Following on from Canary's point, I would see it as a kindness to her if she died of a heart attack before she gets to late stage.
 

Spamar

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I looked after my husband. It wa fine at the beginning, sometimes difficult in the middle ( think delusions, hallucinations, very occasional violence) and impossible at the end. Over the 4 days of Easter that year, he had 2 falls, but I couldn’t pick him up ( I have arthritis) and 2 big TIAs. He had a consultant appt on the Wednesday and he went into respite the following Wednesday. He then had pneumonia, recovered a bit, but then went steadily downhill. He had another pneumonia, which was it.
I used my POA to give him a DNR and I’m very glad I did. It was pitiful.
I’ve seen someone treated with CPR. The initial treatment took 45 mins, he was moved to the ambulance, which didn’t move off for another 45 mins and the gentleman died 2 days later.
As others have said, broken ribs are common and they are painful. I only did one rib. Maybe only bruised it, but it occasionally aches even now, several years later!
Yes u will have a line in the sand, and you might cross it, but it’s very hard work.
Are you intending to keep working? I had to give up and I was only working part time, but I was over the then retirement age. And housing, have you sorted that and will you have money and somewhere to live afterwards?
 

Bod

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My mother has dementia and other family members want to put her in a home. I feel that this isn't the best thing and keeping her with me is the best option. The thing is I live 100 miles away from her current home. I am told moving her to a new environment will have a damaging effect on her as people with dementia can not take change. Is this true ? She doesn't want to go in a home not one bit.

I have also discovered a family member has agreed that should my mother have a heart attack she should not be resuscitated. I was surprised at this. It seems wrong. Is this routinely done with people with dementia ? Can one family member allow this if other family members and the person with dementia doesn't want it ?

I feel there are two things here that you need to do.
1. Speak at length with all other family members, without mother being present. Listen to what they say, particularly ones who do most for her, understand her needs, not only now but future greater ones. Do not dismiss, what may sound unlikely, "Mum would never say/do that!!" Once she may not, but now with this illness, all things are possible.
Yes moving her to an unfamiliar place, with, to all intents and purposes strangers, is very upsetting to the person, who may not remember long enough to understand. Then there is the very real possibility of a further move into Care. "I don't want to go into a Care Home" is normal, indeed if it wasn't said, that would be more worrying.

2. DNR it's the kindest thing to do.
Resuscitation is brutal. Broken ribs are the norm. As has been said, having to spend your last few hours in great pain is not nice.

This is about her, and what her needs are, and most likely will be. Not your feelings.


Bod
 

jaymor

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My daughter works in a nursing home and has had to try to resuscitate several of her dementia residents because no DNAR is in place. She cries each time and always says the same thing, ‘why are people so cruel to want me to do this. Have they ever heard ribs crack?

DNAR has a place and was I fit and well then yes please try to resuscitate me but if I have dementia, am well into my diagnosis then please leave me. I certainly would not want to be brought back to suffer as my husband did right to the end.

My husband had a DNAR and so have I. Mine states if I have an incurable disease then do not attempt to resuscitate.

The decision is a hard one and needs to be talked through if possible so everyone understands the implication.
I hope you can come to a decision you are all happy with as a family.
 

Hazara8

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My mother has dementia and other family members want to put her in a home. I feel that this isn't the best thing and keeping her with me is the best option. The thing is I live 100 miles away from her current home. I am told moving her to a new environment will have a damaging effect on her as people with dementia can not take change. Is this true ? She doesn't want to go in a home not one bit.

I have also discovered a family member has agreed that should my mother have a heart attack she should not be resuscitated. I was surprised at this. It seems wrong. Is this routinely done with people with dementia ? Can one family member allow this if other family members and the person with dementia doesn't want it ?
This question will face many, many family members and partners and is by nature of all the implications, a very big question. As people state quite correctly, each and every case is different, so you cannot provide a kind of template by which you access a smooth and viable outcome. It depends on so many factors. What kind of dementia? What stage? What other ailments are in place. A very close analysis on what is currently taking place. Behaviour, situation, ongoing care, anything which relates to a life and a life lived perhaps alone.

Allow me to briefly say what my own situation was in respect of this whole question of 'Care'.

I lived with my own mother after she was widowed. At that time life was as good as it could be in as much as dementia was not presenting in any noticeable way. Then things became more difficult when mother's anxiety developed (this was Alzheimer's slowly developing) and the daily routine adapted to that. For example, I could not stay away from home for too long, owing to my mother's anxiety, which grew into a quite serious problem. Mother's independence was slowly becoming compromised by the onset of dementia (Alzheimer's and vascular dementia) which demanded an assessment and a referral to a specialist, whereby a diagnosis confirmed by a scan, what I suspected earlier on - Alzheimer's disease. From this point, my daily life was taken up with complete and total care. Cooking meals, enabling proper medication (not for dementia) some leisure time (walks and local excursions) and providing all the 'mobility' items which gave mother a degree of independence whether in the home or when walking outdoors.
Then, once incontinence became part and parcel of the daily regime, I had to plan for a practicable means by which mother could avoid any unnecessary discomfort or angst, i.e. a downstairs commode, also one for outside in the summer house. Special orders for appropriate 'pads', also a close watch on potential UTI's - so a regular urinalysis check - attention to protection on the bed for night-time 'accidents' and careful attention to other possible outcomes i.e. leg ulcers, rashes, apart from her osteoarthritis and macular degeneration. All of this embraced most of my time and this was BEFORE dementia truly raised its ugly head. Once mother's behaviour entered the stage whereby it affected everything that she did, things then became not only difficult, but verged on what I term' unwitting torment'. This in essence is where the notion of caring becomes clouded, because it enters another world altogether. The regime which was managed and a two-way thing, . i.e my mother could assist in certain things, was able to make light of personal procedures, we could enjoy a laugh in accord - - all of this changed. Washing her hair would bring about a bout of agitated screaming, giving medication would often result in tablets being spat out or anger at being offered them. Food prepared daily by me - always changing and varying the diet - might be refused, thrown away or seen as something else. "This is NOT fish! It's chicken!!! You said it was fish!!! I want fish!!". The meal WAS fish. Then, there was 'folding'. A trait often seen in dementia or Alzheimer's world. Folding the tablecloth, tissues, trying to fold a mat or seeing the mat as something else entirely. Mother's macular degeneration presented with 'Charles Bonnet Syndrome' for about a year or so. 'Hallucinations' came about. Once she saw me seated in the fireplace, as a small boy. It was very real to her and upsetting. Another time, she found sticky threads clinging to her fingers and tried in vain to pull them off. I, at that stage, had not yet learned NEVER EVER CONTRADICT. I said "But there is nothing there, Mum? No sticky threads. Nothing". Cue shouting and anger and total frustrated dear and loving mother, behaving like someone who has just been abused! An hour or so later and things calm down.

And so we can go on. Traumas here and there. Awkward moments in the supermarket, so we have to vacate quickly, as mother cries out in a paranoid manner. Precarious moments in the car - door handles being grabbed and more screaming "Help! Police! Oh God help me!!" And a mad dash to the surgery before anything truly dramatic takes place. Calls to the daycare centre, because mother is agitated and upsetting others there. Rambling conversations - sometimes for hours - television a threat, so have to turn it off - 'accidents' in the lounge (incontinence) - tears and once abject and profound sobbing ...... All of this and much much more, BEFORE 'emergency respite' - which I will not describe nor dwell upon owing to the fact that it remains vivid and painful a memory. So 'Care' came about without choice. No choice whatsoever. If my mother had remained at home, I dread to think what the eventual outcome might have been. I was ill. It had become a living nightmare and something which one could never ever perceive happening. A truly loving and wonderful mother, now become like another person, a stranger. Sometimes angry, sometimes calm and affectionate, sometimes that rare and treasured moment of 'lucidity' at bedtime, a 'goodnight' kiss and a 'genuine' smile.

This is part of my own true story with my late mother. She died just a few weeks off 100 years of age. The dementia took her life. I tried my utmost to 'care' to a point which breaks the heart and renders you more or less useless and that means useless to the one you love. And so Care becomes the only realistic option because it represents -- when it is GOOD - the only viable means by which you sustain a dementia-afflicted life, what is often termed 'best interests' for the one whom you love.

"Do Not Resuscitate" is basically making a decision on termination of a life. That requires a great deal of thought on behalf of the one concerned, .i.e. when they have capacity - or the family members involved in such a decision. If you hold medical Power Of Attorney then that might clarify any uncertainty. Frankly, I always kept very close contact with the clinical staff and consultant, to ascertain the important elements here - comfort and 'best interests'. There can be nothing more distressing than having a loved one live on in pain or in a state which is even worse than before, yet still with a limited outcome after all that. If you really 'care' you pay very close attention to the quality of that care throughout a given life. Up to the very end.

As to whether a move can exacerbate the dementia in a negative way. It depends. I see people being taken out from the Care Home on a regular basis by their family, only to be returned again in good form. Others can become very unsettled -- even when moving from a familiar lounge into another room, whilst cleaning takes place. One has to judge all of this with quite intense scrutiny. What I have set out above is true and authentic - no 'poetic licence'.

But the 'actual' experience differs from the text, in as much as it is a very personal and individual journey and that is something that even the most meaningful and accurate narrative can never hope to replicate.
 
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LynneMcV

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The DNR discussion is so difficult to face, especially when our loved ones have some quality of life and their care is being well-managed. I do sympathise with your upset.

I had to face 'the discussion' for my husband a few months ago. He is in the advanced stages of dementia. It was actually his consultant who raised the matter at one of our reviews to see how we were faring - and from my point of view, it was totally unexpected. The consultant obviously saw things that I had been blind to.

The way it was put to me is that my husband had entered end stage dementia. Should he have a heart attack and CPR be given he would come out of it in a much worse state. The process is long and brutal and not only can it lead to broken ribs and other internal injuries, but people coming through CPR often face some degree of brain damage.

It was explained to me that, when an 'average' healthy person undergoes CPR, even if there is some degree of brain damage as a result, they still have a high chance of having good quality of life afterwards. However, when you are dealing with someone who is operating from a much lower baseline compared to an average person of the same age, the impact on their quality of life is huge and could lead to no quality of life at all.

We also had the added issue in that my husband was, at that point, 63, living at home and being looked after by me. We hadn't gone down the carer's package route because we were coping - just about (though I had just started the process of asking for assessments to try and sort out some sort of respite as my husband's needs were changing so quickly) - so basically, at that point, we were not on anyone's radar care-wise.

Consequently, had my husband had a heart attack, to all intents and purposes he would have been seen 'on paper' as an average 63 year old man and all the stops would have been pulled out to administer CPR for however long necessary - with a real risk of being left with no quality of life should he survive, let alone the stress and pain from any internal injuries.

For this reason, and because in the past my husband had discussed his wish for quality of life with me, I agreed to the DNR order. I would have made the same decision whatever his age, but it was an extra factor to consider in our particular circumstances.

As it was, it was a well timed discussion. Just two days later my husband was seriously ill in hospital and, other than a brief week back at home, he has been in hospital since February. His needs are so great now that he is currently in the process of being discharged to a nursing home.

This demonstrates how fast things can change from having no extra help through to needing 24/7 specialist care with 1:1 support.

I feel relieved that the DNR is in place. The little quality of life my husband was clinging on to is fast disappearing and I have no doubt whatsoever that the DNR is in his best interests.

It might be worth talking your concerns through with the family member who made the decision - I suspect he/she would have been put in much the same position as I was, with all the scenarios explained. Hopefully, they can explain how the decision was reached in your mother's specific circumstances and bring some peace of mind to you about such a difficult decision.
 

myss

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My mother has dementia and other family members want to put her in a home. I feel that this isn't the best thing and keeping her with me is the best option. The thing is I live 100 miles away from her current home. I am told moving her to a new environment will have a damaging effect on her as people with dementia can not take change. Is this true ? She doesn't want to go in a home not one bit.

I have also discovered a family member has agreed that should my mother have a heart attack she should not be resuscitated. I was surprised at this. It seems wrong. Is this routinely done with people with dementia ? Can one family member allow this if other family members and the person with dementia doesn't want it ?
Hi Matthew1234, Welcome to TP. If your mum has been on her home for some years, moving her from where her most of her memories are/began/etc may be unsettling for her. Furthermore I know you say tin a later post that you don't expect a rosy experience but you also have to consider the effect on the rest of the people/family that live with you too, especially when the illness starts to deteriorate. It can be quite profound and unsettling.
That said though. as some have said above, one person's experience with people with dementia (pwd's) may be different to another carer's experience and who knows, perhaps a different scenery may benefit her. I say this because I know that I don't think I could put up with my dad 24/7 but my brother has moved in with him and it's been OK (although he no longer works full time plus we all still help so he has 'days off' too). Why not try having your Mum round for a couple weekends and see how that goes? See if she likes the idea of being where you live on a permanent basis.

As for the DNR, when I was asked about this, I asked for my mother (who does not have dementia but is in a care home) to be resuscitated. Admittedly this was initially because I want her with us for as long as possible, but in hindsight she's an incredibly strong woman for her age and I did mention this to my siblings who also agreed with me. So it does seem one person can give this order as I am down on their records as one of her next of kin, but I believe this care home allows others NoKs to intervene with this request if there is a disagreement with it.

Good luck with whatever you do with your next steps. :)
 

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I am guessing that the one that wants to put your mum into a home is a sibling and that possibly they live close to your mum and have been doing all of the caring up to now. They must have taken POA for health and welfare to have been able to put a DNR in place. I would suggest that you talk to this person as they will be in the best place to advise you as what her care needs are. You could be taking on much more than you imagine.

I am in this position as I care for my dad alone with no help from my sibling. I have POA for dad as I am the one that cares for him everyday. We do not have a DNR in place but I wish I did because I can see no benefit of rescuscitation on my dad in his frail and confused state. It would be wrong in so many ways to try and preserve his life if anything happened like a heart attack for instance. In fact I would look upon it as a blessing.
 

Amy in the US

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I also wanted to say hello and welcome, although I am sorry you have had to find your way here. Talking Point has been an incredible resource and support for me and I hope it is helpful for you as well.

If you've not already done so, you might want to have a look at the very good information on dementia from the Alzheimer's Society. Some places to start: https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/types-dementia/what-dementia

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/symptoms-and-diagnosis/how-dementia-progresses

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/get-support/daily-living

If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest, as above, staying for a week or two with your mother to get a clearer picture of what her needs and abilities are. Many persons with dementia can be surprisingly skilled at what we call "hostess mode" and with shorter or less frequent visits, it's not always easy to get the full picture. This isn't meant in a critical way at all, and perhaps you have already done this.

I'd also make sure the house is physically set up for any needs she may have in terms of mobility, access to the toilet, safety, and so on.

I assume a move would involve a change in GP and other physicians and the chemist and so forth, so again, something to think about ahead of time, as well as any needed changes with finances, the bank, and other paperwork/administrative issues. Our UK residents can advise better than I can about Attendance Allowance, support from the LA and Social Services, and so on. Do make sure she gets all benefits to which she is entitled. If you don't already have PoA I would do this before the move.

Also think about enlisting support and help before you think you need it. 24/7 caring is tiring and difficult, especially when issues like sundowning, sleep disturbances, and incontinence enter the mix. The laundry and cleaning alone are hard work.

Remember that dementia will take all the time and energy you throw at it. You will need some time for yourself unless you want to risk illness, carer's breakdown, or worse. The statistics about carers who predecease the person for whom they care, are pretty grim. Please don't neglect your own physical, mental, and emotional health. You cannot be a 24/7 carer, alone, with no support, and not suffer consequences. If you haven't already looked for resources in your area, I would do so without delay. One of my rules about dementia is never turn down an offer of help!

Do have a back up plan in place in case you need to leave town, or become ill. What if you get the flu or need dental surgery or break your leg? Accidents happen and it's better to have a plan, than to wait for a crisis and have to scramble to find help--and you may be in no condition to make decisions.

I am not in the camp that believes a move necessarily precipitates a decline. Rather, I think that moving someone with dementia out of familiar surroundings is of course unsettling, and may expose the problems that were already there, but not as obvious. A move is stressful for a person with a healthy brain and it takes time to adjust and that's also true for someone with brain damage from dementia. I would allow time for BOTH of you to adjust to the change.

There are different types of dementia, and they tend to follow different patterns, and of course everyone is an individual, no matter their diagnosis. Having said that, the one thing that is true of all sorts of dementia is that it is progressive and there will, at some point, be decline. Whether that happens more gradually and slowly (as in earlier on with Alzheimer's where you usually see a downward curve) or more suddenly (as in vascular disease with damage from strokes or other incidents where you often see a stairstep decline), sadly, the person with dementia is going to get worse over time. So often we think we have things managed today, and then tomorrow there are changes or something else to sort out. That's not due to failure on the carer's part, but rather the nature of the disease.

I do wish you all the best in caring for your mother and hope you will continue to post here on Talking Point. We have lots of members who are carers and some have their own thread about their experiences and you might like to do that (or read some of them; we can point you in that direction if you like). Others prefer to mainly read and not comment, or comment only occasionally. I have learnt a great deal just from reading other threads and you might find browsing around helpful as well. Please don't hesitate to ask questions. TP is always open!
 

Carobby

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I have had the same thing but i 'am the carer. I put my mum into respite and initially tried to make this a permanent arrangement. siblings have got involved things have escalated out of all proportion I have taken my mother back to care for again. SS are involved but I now await a best interest meeting to see if she can stay with me .
The siblings have not been in touch with her for many years and believe there is nothing wrong with her. She does seem more calm and I have had time to consider my future whilst she was is respite I realized I was doing to much trying to hold a full time job also caring role I have now stopped work to care for my mother have some insight as to the future but I will know that when it get too much she will go back to care regardless of what the other siblings think as they dont know her anymore. Also ask doctor to put DNAR in place you have to do what is right for you and the person with dementia
 

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I am guessing that the one that wants to put your mum into a home is a sibling and that possibly they live close to your mum and have been doing all of the caring up to now. They must have taken POA for health and welfare to have been able to put a DNR in place. I would suggest that you talk to this person as they will be in the best place to advise you as what her care needs are. You could be taking on much more than you imagine.

I am in this position as I care for my dad alone with no help from my sibling. I have POA for dad as I am the one that cares for him everyday. We do not have a DNR in place but I wish I did because I can see no benefit of rescuscitation on my dad in his frail and confused state. It would be wrong in so many ways to try and preserve his life if anything happened like a heart attack for instance. In fact I would look upon it as a blessing.
Yes, I agree with you. We have to consider what the purpose of bringing back to life is. Is it so very important to prolong life at all costs?
 

Witzend

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As regards resuscitation, I will just relate what an elderly neighbour (no dementia) told me. He was resuscitated after his 2nd or 3rd heart attack, and told me a few weeks later that the after effects were so painful (presumably cracked ribs etc.) he wished they'd just let him die. He did in fact die just a few months later.

After that, I had no hesitation in saying no to any possible resuscitation for my mother, who was elderly, frail, and already had mid stage dementia on top.
 

Blondee

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Again as regards resuscitation. I was trained in CPR and using a defibrillator some months ago. One of the first things we were told was not to be put off if and when you hear or feel the ribs break. You’re doing it correctly. I imagine that on a frail elderly person ( my mum is 6 stone) and think about what their quality of life would be like and what they would want. When my mum was first diagnosed with dementia a very good friend who had been through the caring journey himself said to me ‘ there will come a point that it’s not what you need, it’s what your mum needs and they will be very different things’ . Hard as it may be I see now, in my case, that it’s very true.