Petromany

petromany

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Sep 16, 2010
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Can anyone help please, I am sooo confused !! I have just received confirmation that the CHC has agreed funding for my husband. He is quite complex and needs one to one care. I have been given 5 Nursing Homes to see, which I have done, and really only 2 are acceptable for his needs. However, the NH with a bed becoming available in a week, their fees are £950 per week. I have been told by this NH that if the CHC will not pay the full amout, then many people pay a top up from the Attendance allowance now I was under the impression that this stopped, also that his State Pension would cease. Can anyone throw some light on this please. I know that you have to inform the Pensions dept if at any time he should have to go into hospital, so I am having difficulty getting my head around this.
 

BeckyJan

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If CHC has been agreed than that should be paid in full. You say you have confirmation - if this is in writing please ring the office and explain what the NH have said and get confirmation that they will fully fund the NH costs. Its when the LA are responsible for funding that top ups come into play as they have a limit on NH fees.
If they confirm this (which they should) then you will no longer be entitled to AA but should still receive any pensions he is due.

I do hope this is in order for you and hope soon that your fears can be dismissed.
 

jaymor

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Jul 14, 2006
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When CHC is granted attendance allowance stops and state and private pensions are not affected at all, the pension remains the dementia sufferers.

We looked at over 20 homes before he was granted CHC. We were told he needed EMI with nursing. After being assessed for CHC we were told he needed 1:1 care in a specialist nursing home. There were just two such nursing homes and my husband was given a place in the closest one to us. When told of the two homes we took a look and either was acceptable to us. Both would accept him and both were well staffed and able to provide 1;1 care.

The two homes quoted us £2500 per week and just under £2000 per week for the other one. The NHS are able to negotiate special prices and I have no idea what fees are paid for my husband as the contract is between the nursing home and the NHS. He was placed at the home with the higher fees. CHC can not be topped up. They are wrong on two points here, 1. Attendance allowance is no longer available and if it was, it would be a benefit paid to the dementia sufferer and all top ups have to be paid by a third party so secondly the sufferer cannot top up.

If they have given you the name of the homes to visit I would have assumed they were agreeable to the costs involved.

The care home and the CHC should be sorting the costs out and agreeing payments between themselves, you should not be involved at all and certainly not being asked to top up

We had no input into which home he went into. They told us which one and the date for him to move from the assessment unit into the home. We were very impressed by both homes and happy he was granted a place in the one closer to our home.

Jay


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Scarlett123

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I have just dragged myself up from a dead faint onto the floor. I was stunned by the figures quoted - £2,500 per week! :eek::eek: May I ask what area this is in please? Do you think the Government may like to give retired pensioners, who don't even get the measly Carers' Allowanced, a tenth of this? :D
 

petromany

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Sep 16, 2010
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West Sussex
When CHC is granted attendance allowance stops and state and private pensions are not affected at all, the pension remains the dementia sufferers.

We looked at over 20 homes before he was granted CHC. We were told he needed EMI with nursing. After being assessed for CHC we were told he needed 1:1 care in a specialist nursing home. There were just two such nursing homes and my husband was given a place in the closest one to us. When told of the two homes we took a look and either was acceptable to us. Both would accept him and both were well staffed and able to provide 1;1 care.

The two homes quoted us £2500 per week and just under £2000 per week for the other one. The NHS are able to negotiate special prices and I have no idea what fees are paid for my husband as the contract is between the nursing home and the NHS. He was placed at the home with the higher fees. CHC can not be topped up. They are wrong on two points here, 1. Attendance allowance is no longer available and if it was, it would be a benefit paid to the dementia sufferer and all top ups have to be paid by a third party so secondly the sufferer cannot top up.

If they have given you the name of the homes to visit I would have assumed they were agreeable to the costs involved.

The care home and the CHC should be sorting the costs out and agreeing payments between themselves, you should not be involved at all and certainly not being asked to top up

We had no input into which home he went into. They told us which one and the date for him to move from the assessment unit into the home. We were very impressed by both homes and happy he was granted a place in the one closer to our home.

Jay


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Jay, Thank you so much for the explaination, it has helped a lot, the letter of confirmation I received doesn't state any amount just that it will pay the fees including board and accommodation.
 

petromany

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Sep 16, 2010
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West Sussex
If CHC has been agreed than that should be paid in full. You say you have confirmation - if this is in writing please ring the office and explain what the NH have said and get confirmation that they will fully fund the NH costs. Its when the LA are responsible for funding that top ups come into play as they have a limit on NH fees.
If they confirm this (which they should) then you will no longer be entitled to AA but should still receive any pensions he is due.

I do hope this is in order for you and hope soon that your fears can be dismissed.

Thank you so much for the info, we have written confirmation that they will pay fees including board and accommodation, but no amount is specified. Perhaps I will know more when I ring up with details of Nursing home chosen (the only one that had a bed available shortly) which fortunately was one of two that we considered suitable. It is quite a new establishment and perhaps the Matron is not up to speed on this point.
 

Not so Rosy

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I have just dragged myself up from a dead faint onto the floor. I was stunned by the figures quoted - £2,500 per week! :eek::eek: May I ask what area this is in please? Do you think the Government may like to give retired pensioners, who don't even get the measly Carers' Allowanced, a tenth of this? :D

Does seem a huge amount but if you do the maths it is about the same amount as carers provided in the home 24/7 would cost who don't even give nursing care.

There is a Nursing Home in my village where you can even stay in a little flat rather than a room.

You have to put down £400,000 then pay £3000 a month for cleaning, lunch and tea and the warden, then all nursing costs on top of that :eek:

You do get the £400k back when you leave though !!!!