Hello and welcome to TP

You may find this link provides some answers

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/calculating-efficient-cost-care-homes

I guess most the CH's overheads, particularly staffing, will remain pretty much the same, whether your father is resident or not. They will try not to have rooms empty if at all possible; your fathers room couldn't even be rented out for temporary respite either if he keeps his belongings in there.

 

Mum was LA funded and there was no discount for the two hospital stays she had whist a CH resident. Also we were told if she was away for more than 4 nights she would need a reassessment before she could return.

 

I think most CHs/NHs charge the full amount during hospital stays.

As Chemmy said, the overheads remain pretty much the same - apart from the minimal cost of food, laundry... which probably explains the 10% discount.

The carers may be a bit less busy if a resident is in hospital, but that doesn't reduce the overall the cost of staffing for the NH.

 

I think because the biggest cost is staff, and that won't change during his absence. The whole nursing home will still be heated, laundry and care staff still paid. There will be a small cost saving for the food ingredients not used, but not much more than that
I would imagine that if you actually vacate his room - remove his belongings etc - and a new resident is found then you would no longer pay anything, subject to a contractual notice period. But then you'd have to find somewhere for him once he leaves hospital

 

The overheads are not any less when a resident goes into hospital, mortgage, council tax, staff, lighting and heating, the list goes on. Children's nurseries do the same, you pay to keep the place.

I should imagine a weeks stay in hospital far exceeds the cost of a week in a nursing home, thank goodness we do not have to pay for that at point of admission. It may well come though as the NHS is very underfunded.

 

Jim 10 & 20%, try doubling that and then adding some, self funders are the golden geese with the Midas touch flown straight there from their home in El Dorado, they're a care home's dreams, council rate +50% is about the average self funder price.
K

 

50 % ???

Are you sure ?

So if I am paying £1,200 a week, the LA rate is £800 ?

 

LA will get a good discount in care home beds, they fill the majority of beds within homes so in truth they are bulk buying at a good discount which for us as tax payers is a bonus because we get more for the money we provide.

Does not make it any easier to swallow as a self funding payer but it is the way of the world these days.

 

I have just moved Mom from a Nursing Home of one of the big providers.

Private....£880
LA..........£550

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...ho-pay-subsidising-the-rest-owners-admit.html

 

Self funding in private home £1000+

LA funding have an agreed amount of
£630
- £110 nursing allowance

=. £520

- £113.30 person's pension

Total £407 approximately by LA

 

And that what everyone on TP is doing; you only have to read the heartbreaking stories on this forum to see that families all across the country are risking their own health and happiness on behalf of their loved ones.

I don't know about the Philippines, but I have lived in China. While family members are cared for at home, this does not necessarily translate to a good quality of life. Mental illness and disability is still often seen as shameful, so the family member is hidden away, and may be locked up in the home for long periods as everyone else has to go out to work.

I don't think it is helpful to draw these types of comparisons as societies and cultures are so completely different.

 

Thank you Kevin1, very instructive !!!

Yes it is a hidden taxation.

It really makes you think, doesn't it ? My parents were careful all their lives - and now my mother is paying over the top, as she is a self-funder...

It is such a HUGE expense - dementia care - that it won't change, no government will want to take on that spiralling cost... so this unfair system will continue...

 

I'll tell you the one advantage of being a self-funder: you get a choice far greater that that given to most LA funded residents. And you don't have to deal with social services normally.

 

I found it helpful to remind myself that it was my mother's money, not mine, and her only actual need during her eight years self-funding in a CH was for the best quality care I could find, not maintaining savings in the bank.

My inheritance wasn't an inheritance until she died and I had no right to regard her savings as 'mine' until then.

I didn't grudge her a penny and I didn't expect other taxpayers to pay for her care.