Mum is going to be sectioned tomorrow..

Meppershall

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I too am being threatened for a third time by my Dad's NH that they want him sectioned, he has just returned to the home after a week's stay in hospital following a UTI and a fall resulting in a crack on the head.

I'm just waiting for the staff to start on at me again becasue once he has settled back in and started to be rude and agressive again I have a feeling they are going to act this time.

Moving my dad to a NH last October was supposed to relieve me of stress, I can safely say I am probably more stressed now than I was before he moved in there. It's a terrible time.

I hope it has all gone well for you Saskia, please let us know how it has all gone - there have been maby posts prevsiously about loved ones being sectioned which have all been helpful but this is happenign to you right here, right now and I could be in the same boat in the next couple of weeks. Love to you x
 

saskia

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Update after mums sectioning...

Hi all

Mum was sectioned on Monday, spent the whole day waiting for the SW & ambulance, eventually arrived at 4.30.

Took my brother's advice, I didn't stay to witness, needless to say P, it was horrific, she shouted, screamed, fought, the SW called the police, but then something happened, whether in mums head, but she calmed down enough to phone me to say " did I know she's about to be carted off!!!'
According to bruv, she was then in full hostess mode in the ambulance...

She fought again once in the unit, very nice, a bit sparse, but lovely gardens, bruv stayed with her, then told her he was popping out- this on advice of the nurse.

We were asked to stay away for a few days, which has killed me. Visited her yday. First words out of her mouth '' when can I come home" & she thinks she is there to help them out ( mum was a carer ) and that she hated it.

She's on lorazapine ( sic) quitapine and the specialist has told us they think mum has physcotic depression, hence the dead dog delusions, & dementia has accelerated due to this.

I am helpless. Broke my heart when we left her as she was trying to come home & chased my bruv down the corridor, I could hear her shouting.
I cannot stop thinking of silly things, like is she eating porridge as its the only thing she likes in the morning....Her case was still unpacked, as she thinks daily she is coming home...

& Mum also wears a beautiful diamond engagement ring, which she refuses to take off, I am terrified she will lose it or worse, it gets stolen ( these things just go round in my head!!)

Thy have advised us to limit visits to twice a week as they really want to try & settle her, but I don't think she ever will, she has such a strong personality & she is fighting this every step of the way.

So I go again Sunday, take in some more clothes I guess?

My head & heart hurt, I just can't stop thinking about her........

Thank u for reading

Sas x
 

Amy in the US

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Saskia, I'm so, so, so sorry to read your account of how the sectioning and initial visit have gone. I can't even imagine what you must be going through.

I have very little advice to offer, but a couple of ideas.

I am sure it would be fine if you talked to the unit and let them know she likes porridge for breakfast. In fact, you could even prepare an "About Me" type of letter or document and give it to them: favourite foods, her routine, some background information, whatever you think might be helpful. My mother's care home had official forms for this, but when my mother went into rehab recently, I just typed up a short version and emailed it to them.

When my mother went through the US version of sectioning, I was asked not to visit her that first day, but given a phone number to reach the nurses' station. I called and was given a detailed update, and reassured I could call anytime, day or night, for information or if I was worried. On the days I didn't visit I did call for updates and they were reassuring.

I did the same thing when she moved to her care home, as I didn't visit her for a few weeks. It was not only comforting to hear she was okay, but also a good way to get to know the staff, especially as I wasn't going in.

I hear you on the jewelry fears. My mother was also still wearing her jewelry when she went into hospital. I got lucky that one of the lovely nurses was able to coax her to remove her jewelry and put it in the hospital safe, "for safekeeping," and then I was able to take it home with me. She only ever asked about it once (despite having worn one of the necklaces for my entire life and the other for at least 15 years). So I wonder if you could have a word with the staff and perhaps they can tell her "it's hospital policy" or coax the ring off her with some excuse? It can't hurt to ask.

And my first visit to my mother in the secure unit of the hospital where she was sectioned, was beyond words horrible. (I'll spare you the details but in her heard, it was all my fault and she was going to let me know about it.) The visits got better after that. When my mother went into hospital she wasn't eating or sleeping or taking her meds properly, so just taking care of those issues helped her a lot, and then they were able to get tests and a diagnosis and get her medications sorted. I completely understand this may not be your experience, but I do hope for your sake, that it gets better.

I also think that it is okay not to visit, if that is what you need to do.

Going by my experience, and what I've read here on TP and heard in my support groups, everything you are thinking and feeling is to be expected in the situation. Not that it makes you feel any better, I'm sure.

My husband spent a LOT of time telling me (and so now I am telling you):

-your mother is safe
-she is getting the care she needs
-you didn't do anything wrong
-you are not a bad person
-you are not a bad daughter
-you are making sure she is being looked after
-it's not your fault; it's the dementia's fault
-YOU ARE NOT A BAD PERSON

Please, saskia, please try to be kind to yourself and remember that you did nothing wrong and you are not the enemy here. The dementia is the enemy: hate it, not yourself. It is so, so easy to say that, and so, so difficult to do it.

Sending much care and concern your way. If you feel inclined, please update us when you can. We are thinking of you.
 

CeliaW

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Saskia - I am so sorry to read how things went with your Mum and how you feel. Big supportive hugs for you.

I can only echo all the very valuable points made in Amy's excellent post. Just to add a link to the 'This is me" downloadable form that you can complete and give to the staff - it really helps them give your Mum more personalised care and lets the staff understand her better. I completed this and did some additional notes when my Mum went into care, cried my eyes out writing it but the staff said it was all very helpful.

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/downloads/download/399/this_is_me_tool

Take care of yourself xx

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saskia

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Saskia, I'm so, so, so sorry to read your account of how the sectioning and initial visit have gone. I can't even imagine what you must be going through.

I have very little advice to offer, but a couple of ideas.

I am sure it would be fine if you talked to the unit and let them know she likes porridge for breakfast. In fact, you could even prepare an "About Me" type of letter or document and give it to them: favourite foods, her routine, some background information, whatever you think might be helpful. My mother's care home had official forms for this, but when my mother went into rehab recently, I just typed up a short version and emailed it to them.

When my mother went through the US version of sectioning, I was asked not to visit her that first day, but given a phone number to reach the nurses' station. I called and was given a detailed update, and reassured I could call anytime, day or night, for information or if I was worried. On the days I didn't visit I did call for updates and they were reassuring.

I did the same thing when she moved to her care home, as I didn't visit her for a few weeks. It was not only comforting to hear she was okay, but also a good way to get to know the staff, especially as I wasn't going in.

I hear you on the jewelry fears. My mother was also still wearing her jewelry when she went into hospital. I got lucky that one of the lovely nurses was able to coax her to remove her jewelry and put it in the hospital safe, "for safekeeping," and then I was able to take it home with me. She only ever asked about it once (despite having worn one of the necklaces for my entire life and the other for at least 15 years). So I wonder if you could have a word with the staff and perhaps they can tell her "it's hospital policy" or coax the ring off her with some excuse? It can't hurt to ask.

And my first visit to my mother in the secure unit of the hospital where she was sectioned, was beyond words horrible. (I'll spare you the details but in her heard, it was all my fault and she was going to let me know about it.) The visits got better after that. When my mother went into hospital she wasn't eating or sleeping or taking her meds properly, so just taking care of those issues helped her a lot, and then they were able to get tests and a diagnosis and get her medications sorted. I completely understand this may not be your experience, but I do hope for your sake, that it gets better.

I also think that it is okay not to visit, if that is what you need to do.

Going by my experience, and what I've read here on TP and heard in my support groups, everything you are thinking and feeling is to be expected in the situation. Not that it makes you feel any better, I'm sure.

My husband spent a LOT of time telling me (and so now I am telling you):

-your mother is safe
-she is getting the care she needs
-you didn't do anything wrong
-you are not a bad person
-you are not a bad daughter
-you are making sure she is being looked after
-it's not your fault; it's the dementia's fault
-YOU ARE NOT A BAD PERSON

Please, saskia, please try to be kind to yourself and remember that you did nothing wrong and you are not the enemy here. The dementia is the enemy: hate it, not yourself. It is so, so easy to say that, and so, so difficult to do it.

Sending much care and concern your way. If you feel inclined, please update us when you can. We are thinking of you.

Thank you Amy, your kind & caring post has helped me in a moment when I couldn't stop crying......

I will speak with the nurses tomorrow & i need to get in control of this, I can't carry on feeling like this, otherwise i don't know what will happen

Sas xx
 

Georgina63

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Saskia,
I'm so sorry, that sounds harrowing. If you can, just try to remind yourself this is all being done to get the best care possible for your Mum. I know my OH keeps telling me 'none of this is your fault' and it is hard to accept, though true! Try and focus on the positives. Your Mum is safe and well cared for and you are doing all you can to help make all of that happen. Sending wishes. Gx
 

Amy in the US

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Saskia, you sound really upset, and no wonder. I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time. Some thoughts:

Is there a trusted friend or family member you could call for a friendly ear, or to go for a meal or a walk or coffee or something?

Would you feel better if you rang the ward for more frequent updates, just to reassure yourself that your mother is physically okay? I wouldn't hesitate to call them as often as you need to.

Alzheimer's UK has a helpline open Saturday & Sunday 10-4, Mon-Wed 9 am-8 pm, and Thursday & Friday 9 am -5 pm. 0300 222 11 22

Age UK answers the phone 8 am to 7 pm daily at 0800 169 2081.

The Samaritans answer the phone 24/7: 116 123 or email them at jo@samaritans.org

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need help.

Thinking of you,

amy
 

LadyA

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Excellent advice from Amy, Saskia. Also, remember that it always takes time for someone with dementia to settle somewhere new, and it will take time for them to sort out the right meds/right dose that will help your mum and for those meds to reach full effectiveness once she's on them.

If you can get the ring off even temporarily, could you replace it with a cubic zirconia copy? It's never a good idea for valuables to go to hospitals or nursing homes. If your mum were losing weight, the ring could easily be lost- or stolen. Sadly, it happens.

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carrieboo

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I'm so sorry you're having such a rubbish time. I have nothing useful to add, but you had no choice, your mum needed professional intervention and help and you have done all you could.

K x
 

saskia

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I'm so sorry you're having such a rubbish time. I have nothing useful to add, but you had no choice, your mum needed professional intervention and help and you have done all you could.

K x

Thanks hun

I know, everything everyone has said, i know its the right thing......Still the nagging guilt is eating away.

I spoke to the nurses this morning, mum has had a good few days...They then ask me if i want to speak to her as she was walking past!

Mum then tells me she is being drugged & sleeping all the time, she can't walk very far as everything is ' fuzzy' & her legs feel like lead........!

Also then asked how her dogs are.....

I know she is on some heavy duty anti physcotic drugs, and calming down drugs, but i now feel really worried, as up until the sectioning - mum was quite functional.

Or am i just glossing over the bad stuff??

Sas xxx
 

saskia

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Saskia, you sound really upset, and no wonder. I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time. Some thoughts:

Is there a trusted friend or family member you could call for a friendly ear, or to go for a meal or a walk or coffee or something?

Would you feel better if you rang the ward for more frequent updates, just to reassure yourself that your mother is physically okay? I wouldn't hesitate to call them as often as you need to.

Alzheimer's UK has a helpline open Saturday & Sunday 10-4, Mon-Wed 9 am-8 pm, and Thursday & Friday 9 am -5 pm. 0300 222 11 22

Age UK answers the phone 8 am to 7 pm daily at 0800 169 2081.

The Samaritans answer the phone 24/7: 116 123 or email them at jo@samaritans.org

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need help.

Thinking of you,

amy

Friends are being fabulous, have had calls, texts & flowers, as supposed to be on a girls weekend away now, & bless one of my lovely friends, wanted to stay with me, but i wouldn't hear of it.

Spoke to the ward today & mum! See my response to carrieboo on that one!

Hubby took me to the cinema this afternoon ( Kong, skull island) haven't done anything like that for years...So am definitely trying to get stronger.

Thank u so much for your lovely, lovely words & thoughts.

Sas x
 

saskia

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Update after a week...

First, thank u from the bottom of my heart to everyone who has read & responded, means so much.

Well, mums been in the secure unit a week now. She hates it. Hates us ( me & bruv) they have asked us to limit visits, but i am finding this so hard.

Saw her yday, she was waiting by the front door with her jacket on, first words ' when can i go home's..Managed to get her into the common room for a cuppa, but for the next hour it was constant ' I'm going home'.., becoming angry, swearing.
She also looked scruffy and I'm ashamed to say i got a bit annoyed with her. I think she hasn't changed clothes for a week.
She's not interacting with anyone, just wanders around. The nurses say they talk to her, but she is on the constant loop of ' when I'm i going home'

The morning i called, she has developed a chest infection , is on antibiotics & they are monitoring as may mean a visit to the general hospital......

I spoke with mum, she was crying that it's awful and why is she there........Then asked how her dogs were!!!! ( Anyone whose not read previous posts, one dog, dead)

We have a review with the doctor Thurs. I'm dreading seeing mum tbh & feel so guilty feeling like that .

Sas x
 

Oh Knickers

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Saskia,

Having read your thread I think it is best mum has been sectioned. You would not be able to cope with her, from the sounds of it, not washing, not changing and with not enough memory to remember what has happened to her dogs.

From what you are writing you need more time to regather your internal resources. Sounds very much like carer fatigue. It is an awful thing - carer fatigue. One spreads oneself really thin and then wonder why you are not coping and end up, needlessly, feeling guilty.

To quote Lady A - this need to go home is not a need to go home. It is a need to get away from the dementia, which is clearly not going to happen, and feel safe. Your mum probably needs more time in the home. She has not been there long enough to have settled.
 

Jessbow

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Difficult Time Saskia. Staying away may well help them establish what she is like without your support /intervention , hard though that is.

((Hugs))
 

Meppershall

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Thankyou Saskia for your posts, I can understand how incredibly hard this all must be for you, but you are helping lots of other people in a similar situation and I for one am very thankful to read of your experiences - if this happens to my dad I think I will be in a bit more control based on what you have said.

Others have said to take this time as a chance for you to take a back seat and allow some time for yourself, I think that is very wise advice. You are still there for your mum, even though you are not seeing her as much, and hopefully when she comes out the other side you will be in a better frame of mind to continue to be there for your mum.

I'm wishing you well at this stressful time and hope there is a calm period to come for you all xx
 

saskia

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Another little update......

Hi all

Well - mums review today.

She has been put on an anti-depressant + Lorazapine,+ Quitapane & now a stronger anti-biotic to help with the chest infection.-, but has lost more weight - and at just over 6 stone - a concern for us & they are trying to build her up - but stubborn moo she is - refusing anything she 'doesn't like the look of' :eek:

Its seems we are heading towards a section 3 order - the consultant said mums non acceptance that anything is wrong with her means she is a danger to herself and her short term memory is now so bad - 15 min loops.

So she will continue to stay where she is for the next few weeks - possibly months.
At first i felt sick and could only think of her lovely little house which she used to be so proud of..... and we had just spent the weekend cleaning & tydying it up!

Then visited mum in the unit and she does seem a little more settled, has changed clothes, brushed her hair and put make up on!
was v tired but no swearing or shouting, did mention about coming home about 30 times - but no aggression.

So either the drugs are kicking in or maybe becoming more used to her enviroment?

I can't say i'm happier, but i do know she is the best place now and after a few confusing conversations -i realised how much her memory has detiorated in the last few months.

So now thinking of the future -care homes, house to be sold - everything she would have hated - her worst fear.

& onwards we go......

sas
x
 

Georgina63

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Hi Saskia

I'm glad things have settled a little for your Mum, although this is such an emotional time for you. I hope things continue to be as calm as possible, so you are able to focus on the job in hand and that it doesn't feel too daunting. As you say, your Mum is in the best place to get the care she needs.

Sending big fat wishes your way. Georgina x
 

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