1. smart

    smart New member

    Nov 28, 2019
    7
    HI everyone
    i am wondering if anyone knows is installing covert cameras in relatives houses is legal,i wish to install one over a sideboard where my relative keeps her purse ,recently money has been lost/stolen and we are at a point where it could possibly be the carers , should we speak to the police first !!!
     
  2. canary

    canary Registered User

    Feb 25, 2014
    11,086
    Female
    South coast
    I belive you just have to put up a notice where it can be seen saying that CCTV camaras are used in the property.

    BTW, are you certain that the money has been stolen? My mum was constantly telling me that money was being stolen from her, but when I sold her house I found hundreds of pounds stashed in hiding places around the house
     
  3. Bunpoots

    Bunpoots Volunteer Host

    Apr 1, 2016
    3,606
    Nottinghamshire
    As @canary says I think you just have to put up a notice saying CCTV is operating. You could tell the carers it’s there so you can see if your relative is in difficulties (e.g trips and falls) while they’re alone.

    My dad also used to say money was being stolen when it wasn’t...although we suspect he was giving it away to all and sundry.
     
  4. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
    19,494
    Male
    North Manchester
    You could tell the carers that you think the relative has been hiding money and you will be installing camera to check where they are hiding it and you hope they don't mind.
     
  5. smart

    smart New member

    Nov 28, 2019
    7
    thanks for the reply, we are 100 per cent sure but we have searched the house from top to bottom she has money in her purse one day then the next its gone
     
  6. Sarasa

    Sarasa Registered User

    Apr 13, 2018
    741
    If she still goes out she may be spending it on odd things. Before she went into care mum was taking out £50.00 more or less every other day. When I cleared her flat I thought I’d find it but I didn’t. I did find jar after jar of expensive face cream though. If she doesn’t go out, does she need money?
     
  7. canary

    canary Registered User

    Feb 25, 2014
    11,086
    Female
    South coast
    Well a camera may stop a regular thief, and if it is your mum removing the money herself it will show up on the camera. Just make sure that it is well hidden and cover up any lights as otherwise your mum might switch off/unplug/remove the camera.
     
  8. nitram

    nitram Registered User

    Apr 6, 2011
    19,494
    Male
    North Manchester
    Don't know how far relative's dementia has progressed or whether they actually spend the money.
    Depending on answers consider putting some realistic fake 'toytown' money in the purse and see what happens.
     
  9. smart

    smart New member

    Nov 28, 2019
    7
    hi thanks for replying she has a bit of a hangup that she needs money in her purse so we oblige, we cant seem to find any stashed away or see anything she may have bought so curiosity has lead us to is it being taken, i have found on amazon a smoke alarm that is actually a camera and am thinking of installing one where the purse is kept then play back footage to see if it gives us a clue
     
  10. smart

    smart New member

    Nov 28, 2019
    7
    it may well come to that later but in mean time it is worrying where the money is going
     
  11. smart

    smart New member

    Nov 28, 2019
    7
    the one ive found is a smoke alarm thats fitted to the ceiling but really its a camera so looks like that one i think
     
  12. rainbowcat

    rainbowcat Registered User

    Oct 14, 2015
    139
    Female
    I am sure (but don't take this as definite!) that I read here that if it's within a person's own home (and this includes their own room in a care home) that you don't need to tell anyone or warn about CCTV. It's only when/if the camera is viewing a communal area (corridors, street, etc) that you need to put up CCTV warning notices.

    I checked this specifically as we used a camera - albeit a very obvious one - in my dad's flat, and I ended up NOT putting up cctv notices as the law meant there was no need (I did warn his carers and regular visitors just out of courtesy).
     
  13. Promogirl

    Promogirl New member

    Dec 7, 2019
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  14. Promogirl

    Promogirl New member

    Dec 7, 2019
    3
    Yes you can if you think there is abuse or fraud happening.
     
  15. marionq

    marionq Registered User

    Apr 24, 2013
    5,954
    Female
    Scotland
    I had a visit from a cousin on Friday who stunned me by telling that an uncle who has recently been admitted to a care home had £80000 hidden around his home. He was in an accident twenty years ago which left him with some brain damage so hasn’t worked since but this amount of loose cash and notes built up from pensions and benefits. The desire to hide seems to go along with brain problems.
     
  16. silver'lantern

    silver'lantern Registered User

    Apr 23, 2019
    166
    Female
    My PwD is a hoarder so i dread to think whats in his room! but dont think it will be cash...its mostly rubbish.
     
  17. Chrissie B

    Chrissie B Registered User

    Jan 15, 2019
    97
    Female
    North Yorkshire
    I get where you are coming from. When I used an agency money sometimes did go missing from my mother's purse.
    Some carers told me my mother gave them money and that she was very upset if they tried to refuse it. They were the people who would hand it back.
    Like your mother, my mother took a lot of security from having cash, but she did have a habit of giving all her money in her purse to other members of her daycare.
    The regular carer quite often fished out banknotes from the toilet.
    You are perfectly in your rights to install cameras in the house as long as you are using them as a security device to watch over your relative if you suspect she may be in danger of falling over and hurting herself.
    If you go to the police to say you want to install a camera to spy on her carer however, that would be illegal. If you caught a carer stealing money you wouldn't be able to use the camera as evidence.
    There is also the added problem that I suspect the house isn't yours, so you should either be registered as a carer or have POA
     
  18. Sirena

    Sirena Registered User

    Feb 27, 2018
    1,986
    Female
    If you install a camera by the drawer where the purse is kept, I think you will have to be careful how you interpret what you see. If a carer takes the purse/money, she may be doing so at the request of your relative. And if your relative removes the money, it may not show what then happens to it as she is likely to move out of view of the camera.
     
  19. Chrissie B

    Chrissie B Registered User

    Jan 15, 2019
    97
    Female
    North Yorkshire
    If you take the route of printing money, don't forget that you need to write in big letters Specimen on both sides of the notes, and the notes have to be a different size to real ones. If your relative is likely to use the notes for shopping, then don't do it at all.
     

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