Financial advice needed for Father & Mother...

Ted50

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Jul 12, 2013
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Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me with the thorny problem of financial issues:

My parents have been married for over 50 years. They live in their own home. They have separate bank accounts. My father was always the 'bread winner' and was successful in building decent savings and investments. As such and despite separate accounts, he has always supported my mother and the family home financially. His view was a simple one in that what he built would be my mother's when he was gone and thereafter his son's in the fullness of time. Oh, if life were that simple!):-

For a couple of years now as his memory failed I have had to manage his finances as (sole) EPA. It has been a heavy responsibility to do right by him and my mother. It is only what he expects of me.

Earlier this year there was a formal diagnosis of vascular dementia and while he stabilised for a while with Memantine, aggressive, unpredictable, behaviour has returned and he has attacked my mother twice in an as many weeks. He is now under assessment in a secure unit. There are broken hearts all around.

Money seems unimportant right now as we try to recover from a horrific week but duties remain and it's a useful diversion. My father would expect no less of me.

I have two questions:
1- From my father's finances, what is considered reasonable support of my mother and their home even though he may be absent from it or cared elsewhere for some time?
(By support I mean utilities, food, shopping and the like.)
2- If in due course he should have to enter full time care and become a 'self-funder' how would this affect the issue of reasonable support of my mother and their home?

Many thanks for listening...
Ted
 

Fed Up

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Aug 4, 2012
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Hello Ted
I'm sorry I don't know any answers but wanted to say your post is so moving, its hard to imagine how tough it must be. So I hope someone comes along who can help soon.
 

Ted50

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Jul 12, 2013
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Hello Ted
I'm sorry I don't know any answers but wanted to say your post is so moving, its hard to imagine how tough it must be. So I hope someone comes along who can help soon.

many thanks for those words...
 

rajahh

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I cannot answer your questions either, but there are members here who will be able to.

There are probably fact sheets too, Try doing a search for information. or approach your local Alzheimers Society.

I am sorry your father has become aggressive it is one of the worst things that dementia can cause.

Jeannette
 

Wirralson

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May 30, 2012
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Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me with the thorny problem of financial issues:

My parents have been married for over 50 years. They live in their own home. They have separate bank accounts. My father was always the 'bread winner' and was successful in building decent savings and investments. As such and despite separate accounts, he has always supported my mother and the family home financially. His view was a simple one in that what he built would be my mother's when he was gone and thereafter his son's in the fullness of time. Oh, if life were that simple!):-

For a couple of years now as his memory failed I have had to manage his finances as (sole) EPA. It has been a heavy responsibility to do right by him and my mother. It is only what he expects of me.

Earlier this year there was a formal diagnosis of vascular dementia and while he stabilised for a while with Memantine, aggressive, unpredictable, behaviour has returned and he has attacked my mother twice in an as many weeks. He is now under assessment in a secure unit. There are broken hearts all around.

Money seems unimportant right now as we try to recover from a horrific week but duties remain and it's a useful diversion. My father would expect no less of me.

I have two questions:
1- From my father's finances, what is considered reasonable support of my mother and their home even though he may be absent from it or cared elsewhere for some time?
(By support I mean utilities, food, shopping and the like.)
2- If in due course he should have to enter full time care and become a 'self-funder' how would this affect the issue of reasonable support of my mother and their home?

Many thanks for listening...
Ted

Ted

I'd strongly suggest you need specialist legal advice. I'm in no position to comment on the situation you face, but I suspect that the information necessary for someone with the relevant knowledge to give you a useful answer would involve a lot more detail than you can (or should) give on the internet. My father and I engaged a solicitor in my mother's case (which was much simpler than the problem you have described) but it was very helpful.

Kind regards

Wirralson
 

jenniferpa

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Jun 27, 2006
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I agree with wirralson that you are going to need to speak to a legal professional. However, I do have a couple of comments.

Has your father been sectioned? Or is he a voluntary patient? Because if he has been section and remains sectioned (under a section 3) he will be eligible for section 117 aftercare and his assets and income will be irrelevant and your mother will be able to be supported as she has been.

If on the other hand, he is self-funding: does he have adequate assets to pay for care for the foreseeable future? Because if he does, and there is no reason for the LA to become involved even in the future, again it is up him (or more probably you as his attorney) how much support is given to your mother. Where it get's sticky is if he will be self-funding for a short period of time, or will not be self-funding. If that is the situation, your mother will be entitled to her own state pension and benefits plus 50% of any occupational pension he may have. Also, just because the savings may be in his name, doesn't mean that your mother doesn't have any claim on them: she probably does, (imagine the situation if they were to divorce). That's the base line. It is possible to request that the LA takes into account any special circumstances (upkeep of property etc) but I'm afraid they don't have to.

In the short term, while he is in hospital or under assessment he should continue to contribute as he always has. It's after this that it becomes problematic.
 

Ted50

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Jul 12, 2013
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Many thanks Wirralson and Jenniferpa for your very wise words and a great help. It has to be a solicitor and as they say...knowledge is power. Thanks again.
 

jenniferpa

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Jun 27, 2006
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Just make sure it's a solicitor who has expertise in this area. Some may not know very much about this area of the law. Good Luck. Do let us know how you get on.
 

Wirralson

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May 30, 2012
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Ted50,

I'd agree with Jenniferpa here about solicitors knowing about this area of the law. Also, given the complexity of the situation you describe, you may need more than one - this would seem to involve mental health law, property law and matrimonial/family law. if you are in England and Wales, then the Mental Health Lawyers Association has a list of specialist lawyers, which may be useful. This is their website: http://www.mhla.co.uk/

Wirralson