Has anyone any info on care homes with nursing and EMI in the West Sussex area. I have the list but there are so many and the pros wont recommend. My hubby has behaviour problems and needs to be in an environment with plenty of space and really needs one to one basis. I am willing to travel to visit, if there is a really nice place anyone can recommend. My hubby was a top business man and has been used to ltravelling and staying in first class establishments throughout the world, and I am really struggling to find suitable residential care for him. I know I am trying to find the impossible, but if anyone has experience of a decent place, please oh please respond; I would be soooo grateful.
EMI care homes with nursing
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It is a horror in any area to find such a list, and Talking Point doesn't permit them to be publicly shown, even if they exist. If someone knows of any, then a private message would be the best way.
I'm helping to try and find the same sort of thing in the Surrey area. Sadly, the really nice homes only top slice the dementia people, taking only those easy cases (for the home) who have no nursing needs whatever. They are beautiful places, like 5 star hotels, but they cost the earth and seemingly serve just to taunt those who have any behavioural problems or nursing needs.
My wife was in a similar situation as well, but we were fortunate that she was awarded Continuing Health Care for the last 9 years of her life, as well as 1-to-1 supervision. In reality that level of care never happened, partly because the PCT never actually funded the 1-to-1, but insisted the home managed it. The home was at that stage wholly populated by PCT patients, though that has probably changed since. That is why there is no naming of places here - things can change, for the better, or for the worse, over time - while messages posted here remain.
I do hope that you find something that will work for you both. Best of luck in your search.
I'm helping to try and find the same sort of thing in the Surrey area. Sadly, the really nice homes only top slice the dementia people, taking only those easy cases (for the home) who have no nursing needs whatever. They are beautiful places, like 5 star hotels, but they cost the earth and seemingly serve just to taunt those who have any behavioural problems or nursing needs.
My wife was in a similar situation as well, but we were fortunate that she was awarded Continuing Health Care for the last 9 years of her life, as well as 1-to-1 supervision. In reality that level of care never happened, partly because the PCT never actually funded the 1-to-1, but insisted the home managed it. The home was at that stage wholly populated by PCT patients, though that has probably changed since. That is why there is no naming of places here - things can change, for the better, or for the worse, over time - while messages posted here remain.
I do hope that you find something that will work for you both. Best of luck in your search.
Hi there,
I'm going to come at this from the flip side of things. I know it's important to find a nice home for our loves ones but its also imperative to find excellent care. My mums psychiatrist told me that the places that look like the Ritz don't necessarily provide the best care.
My mum started in a residential home specialising in dementia, carpets on all the floors, tables set in the kitchen and dining room with table cloths and vases with flowers, paintings in the walls, ornaments in residents rooms and quite frankly the care was useless. Mum has AD and was discharged from a psych unit into this home. She was there for 5 weeks, they tried to have her sectioned, hated the fact that she removed pictures from walls, didn't appreciate her wandering up and down the corridors etc etc. the worst part was she lost 1st 2lb in a week because nobody could be bothered to sit and encourage her to eat her meals.
They were hung up on her having a shower, hung up on her getting dressed, couldn't wear odd shoes or anything. It was a beautiful looking home but care wise, or doesn't suit mum and her level of AD.
We moved her to an EMI NH, from the outside it looks like the most ramshackled place you've ever seen. When we went into mums room her wardrobe has only 1 door, she had a bed, chest of draws and a sink in the corner of her room. Not long after she moved into the home they gave the whole inside a lick of paint. The wardrobe came out of mums room (she kept taking all the clothes out and dotting around the home) and, because mum spends so much time in her room one day one of the carers went in and painted it, she has a lovely bright pink wall with matching pictures, the other easels are neutral, they found some curtains from somewhere to match and found her a leather chair for the corner.
Mum is what they call a busy person, she wanders (not so much now) but nobody bats an eyelid, she sometimes shouts and bangs on doors, again it's par for the course, she won't sit and eat in the dining room so they put her a table and chair by the window on the corridor and she sits and eats there. Nothing is too much trouble, she lashes out at bath times and soaks the carers, it's all in a days work. It may not look the nicest home in the world, it's certainly not to poshest but the care is 1st class.
If m need encouragement to eat she gets it, all residents that are in their rooms are checked every 15 minutes, they get regular drinks, cakes and biscuits. There is regular entertainment for them to enjoy and all the carers join in. Nobody can remove the photos from the wall as they are all screwed on, if mum wants to walk round with odd shoes on it doesn't matter, if one day she is really resistant to bathing she has a strip wash, clean clothes and they try again the next morning.
We have a home not far from us which is beautiful, lovely gardens, beautifully set out dining rooms, fountains, benches everything you could wish for, even Gordon Ramsey menus, it also has a lovely price tag and lots of complaints and dissatisfied relatives. More interested in fixtures and fitting being spot on than whether or not and incontinence pad has been changed.
I suppose what I'm saying is its not how nice a place is its the care that's important. Mum wouldn't know of she was in a Marriott or a Travel Lodge, the Four Seasons or a Premier Inn. I know we want the best for our loved ones and I'm not saying that you shouldn't look for somewhere nice, just don't discount the ones that need some TLC as a lot of the time these are the very best homes.
Take care
Sharon x
I'm going to come at this from the flip side of things. I know it's important to find a nice home for our loves ones but its also imperative to find excellent care. My mums psychiatrist told me that the places that look like the Ritz don't necessarily provide the best care.
My mum started in a residential home specialising in dementia, carpets on all the floors, tables set in the kitchen and dining room with table cloths and vases with flowers, paintings in the walls, ornaments in residents rooms and quite frankly the care was useless. Mum has AD and was discharged from a psych unit into this home. She was there for 5 weeks, they tried to have her sectioned, hated the fact that she removed pictures from walls, didn't appreciate her wandering up and down the corridors etc etc. the worst part was she lost 1st 2lb in a week because nobody could be bothered to sit and encourage her to eat her meals.
They were hung up on her having a shower, hung up on her getting dressed, couldn't wear odd shoes or anything. It was a beautiful looking home but care wise, or doesn't suit mum and her level of AD.
We moved her to an EMI NH, from the outside it looks like the most ramshackled place you've ever seen. When we went into mums room her wardrobe has only 1 door, she had a bed, chest of draws and a sink in the corner of her room. Not long after she moved into the home they gave the whole inside a lick of paint. The wardrobe came out of mums room (she kept taking all the clothes out and dotting around the home) and, because mum spends so much time in her room one day one of the carers went in and painted it, she has a lovely bright pink wall with matching pictures, the other easels are neutral, they found some curtains from somewhere to match and found her a leather chair for the corner.
Mum is what they call a busy person, she wanders (not so much now) but nobody bats an eyelid, she sometimes shouts and bangs on doors, again it's par for the course, she won't sit and eat in the dining room so they put her a table and chair by the window on the corridor and she sits and eats there. Nothing is too much trouble, she lashes out at bath times and soaks the carers, it's all in a days work. It may not look the nicest home in the world, it's certainly not to poshest but the care is 1st class.
If m need encouragement to eat she gets it, all residents that are in their rooms are checked every 15 minutes, they get regular drinks, cakes and biscuits. There is regular entertainment for them to enjoy and all the carers join in. Nobody can remove the photos from the wall as they are all screwed on, if mum wants to walk round with odd shoes on it doesn't matter, if one day she is really resistant to bathing she has a strip wash, clean clothes and they try again the next morning.
We have a home not far from us which is beautiful, lovely gardens, beautifully set out dining rooms, fountains, benches everything you could wish for, even Gordon Ramsey menus, it also has a lovely price tag and lots of complaints and dissatisfied relatives. More interested in fixtures and fitting being spot on than whether or not and incontinence pad has been changed.
I suppose what I'm saying is its not how nice a place is its the care that's important. Mum wouldn't know of she was in a Marriott or a Travel Lodge, the Four Seasons or a Premier Inn. I know we want the best for our loved ones and I'm not saying that you shouldn't look for somewhere nice, just don't discount the ones that need some TLC as a lot of the time these are the very best homes.
Take care
Sharon x
That's the great thing about TP. You can ask a question and receive a range of replies from members' experiences, then bear it all in mind.
However, because most care homes won't look pristine by the very nature of the care they provide, they are not necessarily better than a show home place.
This is why it is so important to visit, listen to what the senior staff say, but more importantly, to watch what is going on around you as you are shown around.
While I wouldn't say that an hotel-like care home can't provide the very best care for those who are the most difficult patients, I would find it hard to envisage how such a place could remain at all tidy.
At my Jan's home - a modern purpose built small nursing care home - the place was kept brilliantly clean. The cleaning staff were not the care staff.
However, one younger patient would yank the central heating radiators off the walls, pull over tall cabinets and generally wreck the place. That didn't stop it being impressively new-looking. Other residents went in the bathrooms and turned on the taps, flooding the place. It was a place for patients no other home could handle.
The care was centred on the patient, which was the important thing.
When a relative is constantly agitated and destructive, it is different than for someone who is mostly ok, but who has short sundowning, or similar agitation problems. Where there is clarity, it is very very difficult for family and the patient to consider a move to a place that cares for advanced dementia.
That is the dilemma, and is a nightmare for all, if the person is really unable to remain in their own home. There is no easy answer to this.
Yes, this is true, though not universally so. It is advice that most consultants will provide since newcomers to care homes often don't realise.
However, because most care homes won't look pristine by the very nature of the care they provide, they are not necessarily better than a show home place.
This is why it is so important to visit, listen to what the senior staff say, but more importantly, to watch what is going on around you as you are shown around.
While I wouldn't say that an hotel-like care home can't provide the very best care for those who are the most difficult patients, I would find it hard to envisage how such a place could remain at all tidy.
At my Jan's home - a modern purpose built small nursing care home - the place was kept brilliantly clean. The cleaning staff were not the care staff.
However, one younger patient would yank the central heating radiators off the walls, pull over tall cabinets and generally wreck the place. That didn't stop it being impressively new-looking. Other residents went in the bathrooms and turned on the taps, flooding the place. It was a place for patients no other home could handle.
The care was centred on the patient, which was the important thing.
When a relative is constantly agitated and destructive, it is different than for someone who is mostly ok, but who has short sundowning, or similar agitation problems. Where there is clarity, it is very very difficult for family and the patient to consider a move to a place that cares for advanced dementia.
That is the dilemma, and is a nightmare for all, if the person is really unable to remain in their own home. There is no easy answer to this.
This is comforting to know. My mum is in a emi unit and the staff always seem cheerful and always checking up on the residents. We took mum in the garden other day and her carer came looking for her to check she was okay. Numerous cups of tea available and cake. The home is not the most modern to say the least with worn out chairs etc but it is clean.[
QUOTE=Shash7677;801772]Hi there,
I'm going to come at this from the flip side of things. I know it's important to find a nice home for our loves ones but its also imperative to find excellent care. My mums psychiatrist told me that the places that look like the Ritz don't necessarily provide the best care.
My mum started in a residential home specialising in dementia, carpets on all the floors, tables set in the kitchen and dining room with table cloths and vases with flowers, paintings in the walls, ornaments in residents rooms and quite frankly the care was useless. Mum has AD and was discharged from a psych unit into this home. She was there for 5 weeks, they tried to have her sectioned, hated the fact that she removed pictures from walls, didn't appreciate her wandering up and down the corridors etc etc. the worst part was she lost 1st 2lb in a week because nobody could be bothered to sit and encourage her to eat her meals.
They were hung up on her having a shower, hung up on her getting dressed, couldn't wear odd shoes or anything. It was a beautiful looking home but care wise, or doesn't suit mum and her level of AD.
We moved her to an EMI NH, from the outside it looks like the most ramshackled place you've ever seen. When we went into mums room her wardrobe has only 1 door, she had a bed, chest of draws and a sink in the corner of her room. Not long after she moved into the home they gave the whole inside a lick of paint. The wardrobe came out of mums room (she kept taking all the clothes out and dotting around the home) and, because mum spends so much time in her room one day one of the carers went in and painted it, she has a lovely bright pink wall with matching pictures, the other easels are neutral, they found some curtains from somewhere to match and found her a leather chair for the corner.
Mum is what they call a busy person, she wanders (not so much now) but nobody bats an eyelid, she sometimes shouts and bangs on doors, again it's par for the course, she won't sit and eat in the dining room so they put her a table and chair by the window on the corridor and she sits and eats there. Nothing is too much trouble, she lashes out at bath times and soaks the carers, it's all in a days work. It may not look the nicest home in the world, it's certainly not to poshest but the care is 1st class.
If m need encouragement to eat she gets it, all residents that are in their rooms are checked every 15 minutes, they get regular drinks, cakes and biscuits. There is regular entertainment for them to enjoy and all the carers join in. Nobody can remove the photos from the wall as they are all screwed on, if mum wants to walk round with odd shoes on it doesn't matter, if one day she is really resistant to bathing she has a strip wash, clean clothes and they try again the next morning.
We have a home not far from us which is beautiful, lovely gardens, beautifully set out dining rooms, fountains, benches everything you could wish for, even Gordon Ramsey menus, it also has a lovely price tag and lots of complaints and dissatisfied relatives. More interested in fixtures and fitting being spot on than whether or not and incontinence pad has been changed.
I suppose what I'm saying is its not how nice a place is its the care that's important. Mum wouldn't know of she was in a Marriott or a Travel Lodge, the Four Seasons or a Premier Inn. I know we want the best for our loved ones and I'm not saying that you shouldn't look for somewhere nice, just don't discount the ones that need some TLC as a lot of the time these are the very best homes.
Take care
Sharon x[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=Shash7677;801772]Hi there,
I'm going to come at this from the flip side of things. I know it's important to find a nice home for our loves ones but its also imperative to find excellent care. My mums psychiatrist told me that the places that look like the Ritz don't necessarily provide the best care.
My mum started in a residential home specialising in dementia, carpets on all the floors, tables set in the kitchen and dining room with table cloths and vases with flowers, paintings in the walls, ornaments in residents rooms and quite frankly the care was useless. Mum has AD and was discharged from a psych unit into this home. She was there for 5 weeks, they tried to have her sectioned, hated the fact that she removed pictures from walls, didn't appreciate her wandering up and down the corridors etc etc. the worst part was she lost 1st 2lb in a week because nobody could be bothered to sit and encourage her to eat her meals.
They were hung up on her having a shower, hung up on her getting dressed, couldn't wear odd shoes or anything. It was a beautiful looking home but care wise, or doesn't suit mum and her level of AD.
We moved her to an EMI NH, from the outside it looks like the most ramshackled place you've ever seen. When we went into mums room her wardrobe has only 1 door, she had a bed, chest of draws and a sink in the corner of her room. Not long after she moved into the home they gave the whole inside a lick of paint. The wardrobe came out of mums room (she kept taking all the clothes out and dotting around the home) and, because mum spends so much time in her room one day one of the carers went in and painted it, she has a lovely bright pink wall with matching pictures, the other easels are neutral, they found some curtains from somewhere to match and found her a leather chair for the corner.
Mum is what they call a busy person, she wanders (not so much now) but nobody bats an eyelid, she sometimes shouts and bangs on doors, again it's par for the course, she won't sit and eat in the dining room so they put her a table and chair by the window on the corridor and she sits and eats there. Nothing is too much trouble, she lashes out at bath times and soaks the carers, it's all in a days work. It may not look the nicest home in the world, it's certainly not to poshest but the care is 1st class.
If m need encouragement to eat she gets it, all residents that are in their rooms are checked every 15 minutes, they get regular drinks, cakes and biscuits. There is regular entertainment for them to enjoy and all the carers join in. Nobody can remove the photos from the wall as they are all screwed on, if mum wants to walk round with odd shoes on it doesn't matter, if one day she is really resistant to bathing she has a strip wash, clean clothes and they try again the next morning.
We have a home not far from us which is beautiful, lovely gardens, beautifully set out dining rooms, fountains, benches everything you could wish for, even Gordon Ramsey menus, it also has a lovely price tag and lots of complaints and dissatisfied relatives. More interested in fixtures and fitting being spot on than whether or not and incontinence pad has been changed.
I suppose what I'm saying is its not how nice a place is its the care that's important. Mum wouldn't know of she was in a Marriott or a Travel Lodge, the Four Seasons or a Premier Inn. I know we want the best for our loved ones and I'm not saying that you shouldn't look for somewhere nice, just don't discount the ones that need some TLC as a lot of the time these are the very best homes.
Take care
Sharon x[/QUOTE]
