Hi all will try to keep this as short as long story dad 74 has mid stage 6 id say alz he was nearly put forward for assessment for sectioning about 4 wks ago due to going missing 24 November for 2 days n nights ended up with frostbite etc not well mentally much worse but lead up to this was becoming aggressive again (all on other posts) wandering trying to go home .after going through hell with gp and memory clinc not wanting to help in the days after i called crisis team who then got mental health nurses in few days after and psychiatrist as dad was becoming violent while trying to get out of the house ive had to drop everything and live with him for last 2 yrs due to him wandering out at night had very minimal help .pychatrist put him on 0.5 mg risperdrone then i asked him to up it to 1 mg it didn’t really help only slightly took aggressive behaviour they said could not give anything else hes was already on aricept mementine antidepressants 10 mg .my dad had a bad episode a few wks ago werr he attacked me tried to get out i rung crisis line and psychiatrist said he needed to he sectioned but was willing for him to be kept at home while i tried to get uti /blood tests as only just went on tabs and antibiotics .hes simce had one more oncident of aggressiveness but okish since xmas psychiatrist has upped dpse of risperdrone to 1/12 risperdrone but he’s sleeping has been erattic sonce new yr eve been up most of night sat in dark kitchen till 4 am up n down ive had to beg plead and shout to get him in to bed hes on over the counter tablets herberl tabs working ok till now my gut feeling is its the risperdrone so now in last week tp add to it hes no longer under crisis team it’s mental health community nurses so i spoke to nurse monday about serious concerns over he’s sleeping hoping their dr on there team would order a medication for sleeping but no instead the nurse said they had old crisis team also at meeting and their team but said hes needed to go into hospital local mental hospital as i needed respite if it continued it seems way over the top just because hes not sleeping!! Not sure what else i can do only option is to call the crisis team psychiatrist to get her opion she said i can call her for advice , hes own gp has been unhelpful all the whole way through in giving any medication for or associated with sleeping or dementia they just dont want to know ! Unless i get private assessment by private psychiatrist not sure i can continue having broken sleep i asked nurse why they wouldn't put him on sleeping tablets he said they said hes on maximum dose of tablets I suspect its due to budget and money for each patient !
Dad not sleeping well. May be sectioned because of it
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@deepetshopboy I so sorry to hear about your Dad.
I am in a similar path to you, but further along. My Mum has vascular dementia and became increasingly forgetful, not sleeping and then started to wander. I took the plunge to put her into a residential home, as the wandering at night outdoors became a real concern. She did not fair well there and became violent. Risperidone had no affect on her. In the end she was eventually sectioned.
I was scared at the time as to what this meant, but actually this has enable my Mum to get the assessment and care/medication that she needed in a safe and caring environment in a specialised mental health unit. The team have really investigated Mum's condition, re-confirm her diagnosis and with trial and error found the right medication for her. We simply could not have done this at home nor within the care home setting.
Are social services involved at all with your Dad? I found the memory clinic, crisis team not great and it was only when Mum's GP and then a social services got involved that things started to happen and my Mum received the support she needed. I would contact social services and explain the urgency of the situation.
Sectioning sounds harrowing, due to the stigma surrounding the term itself, but please do not be scared by it. I would say that this would be an opportunity for your Dad to be properly assessed, diagnosed and then appropriately medicated. and for you to get the support that you need.
I hope you get the support you need.
I am in a similar path to you, but further along. My Mum has vascular dementia and became increasingly forgetful, not sleeping and then started to wander. I took the plunge to put her into a residential home, as the wandering at night outdoors became a real concern. She did not fair well there and became violent. Risperidone had no affect on her. In the end she was eventually sectioned.
I was scared at the time as to what this meant, but actually this has enable my Mum to get the assessment and care/medication that she needed in a safe and caring environment in a specialised mental health unit. The team have really investigated Mum's condition, re-confirm her diagnosis and with trial and error found the right medication for her. We simply could not have done this at home nor within the care home setting.
Are social services involved at all with your Dad? I found the memory clinic, crisis team not great and it was only when Mum's GP and then a social services got involved that things started to happen and my Mum received the support she needed. I would contact social services and explain the urgency of the situation.
Sectioning sounds harrowing, due to the stigma surrounding the term itself, but please do not be scared by it. I would say that this would be an opportunity for your Dad to be properly assessed, diagnosed and then appropriately medicated. and for you to get the support that you need.
I hope you get the support you need.
Wise words from andyst 13. My relative was sectioned as well and it gave everyone a chance to sort out the best medication.
The GP will be feeling out of their depth and it is up to the mental health team/ psychiatrists to sort out the best tablets.
Not giving sleeping tablets is not a budget issue. It will be a genuine concern that too much medication will be no good for your Dad.
It will also be no good for your Dad if you run yourself into the ground. You are doing the best you can. Take care.
The GP will be feeling out of their depth and it is up to the mental health team/ psychiatrists to sort out the best tablets.
Not giving sleeping tablets is not a budget issue. It will be a genuine concern that too much medication will be no good for your Dad.
It will also be no good for your Dad if you run yourself into the ground. You are doing the best you can. Take care.
I concur with the others. MIL was sectioned and is now very settled , albeit quite heavily medicated, in her nursing home.
One other thing , if your Dad attacks you don't be worried about calling the police for help at the time it is happening. They are very understanding and can also expediate things with other agencies. We had police involvement with both MIL and FIL and they were great at getting us the help that was needed.
One other thing , if your Dad attacks you don't be worried about calling the police for help at the time it is happening. They are very understanding and can also expediate things with other agencies. We had police involvement with both MIL and FIL and they were great at getting us the help that was needed.
@deepetshopboy As per the previous posts, it will be best for both you and your dad for him to be properly assessed and will also ensure that he is kept safe. You mentioned that your dad is on 'over the counter' herbal tablets. Have you informed the GP and psychiatric team that you are giving your dad herbal medication? This can cause serious adverse reactions with other medicines, and herbal medicines are not recommended to be given with antipsychotics (such as respiridone). You must let the specialists know what herbal medication you are giving your dad as this could be contributing to his behaviour and causing him health problems too.
Yes i told them all he’s been on herbel sleeping tabs for about 13 months and nobody has told me he should not be on them
Social services have also been useless due to my dad having over the treshold of saving they assessed. Him last yr and tild me he had too much money no social worker would be assigned im now waiting for them to finically assess him again care assessment but again i do not think he will qualify for help ive had to go about arranging my own help for last 2 yrs pretty much zero help even down to them just sending me emails with places ie day centre etc when they promised me they would do it on my behalf as im bogged down with the stuff to do .dad has a private carer now and is going to stay 1 night a week trail so he small savings 22 k will soon dwindle down
Please do contact social services again, as they should be helping you regardless of how much money your Dad has. He is entitled to a needs assessment at the very least. With history of violence, this should be done urgently. The threshold for any financial help is £23,250 in England and varies in Wales & Scotland, so he should be entitled to some sort of financial support based on £22k savings.
hi @deepetshopboy
maybe chatting in real time with one of the knowledgeable folk on the Support Line will help ... they have a lot of experience and can direct on to get help
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maybe chatting in real time with one of the knowledgeable folk on the Support Line will help ... they have a lot of experience and can direct on to get help
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