Coping with memory loss

Discussion in 'ARCHIVE FORUM: Support discussions' started by BillieJay, Aug 31, 2006.

  1. BillieJay

    BillieJay Registered User

    Aug 31, 2006
    10
    Hi all,
    This is my first thread and I feel a real wimp asking for help when you're all going through so much. But this is what's happening....
    About two years ago my Mum started repeating herself, and it gradually got worse. If we went to visit, she'd ask 6 times in the first 10 minutes whether we'd had a good journey and what was the traffic like, that sort of thing. We all tried to answer the question each time as though it was the first, thought it was testing our acting skills by the sixth time of asking!
    Over the last 6 months the question/observation repetition has abated, but now she has moved on to quite categorical statements of the "we never/we always/ it's years since" type, which are often wrong. For example "We haven't been in this restaurant for years" when it was actually a couple of months (and a couple of months before that as well).
    She's been to the doctor's, she has thyroid and parathyroid problems but they're under control and an MRI scan has shown that the nerve endings in the brain are dead, so the diagnosis is Mild Cognitive Impairment. It doesn't feel very mild, but reading other people's stories I know it is. I needed to get it off my chest - my parents have been staying with us for 10 days and have gone back saying what a lovely holiday they've had (in sunny Lancashire :rolleyes: ) but it's made me accept what I hadn't before, that it isn't temporary and my Mum as I've known her all my life won't be coming back. That's how I discovered this site and forum, when I decided to do some research on the web this morning.

    I feel I'm being very wet in even posting, but there isn't a site or forum for Mild Cognitive Impairment, and I do have a question. What's the best way to respond to Mum when she makes one of her (wrong) statements? I tended to correct her, but I've realised my motives were pretty selfish. I hoped that if I explained enough she'd suddenly slap her forehead, say 'oh of course, silly me' and everything would be alright again. It ain't gonna happen....But although sometimes you can ignore it, others it's difficult to carry on the conversation if she's made one of her statements. For instance we were discussing soft furnishings (!) but she was adamant that their currrent suite is actually the one about three suites back and a different colour, so to have carried on would have been to humour her and all pretend. Nobody wants to make her feel small, and I know (Dad's told me) that sometimes she cries at night, saying she wouldn't mind what else gave up but please not her brain.

    Sorry, I know it's trivial, but I'm crying as I'm typing this - does anyone have any words of wisdom?

    BJx
     
  2. jenniferpa

    jenniferpa Volunteer Moderator

    Jun 27, 2006
    39,432
    Oh BillieJay, I know it's not funny, but that's so exactly how I reacted/still react sometimes, that it made me smile. Mild Cognitive impairment is about as much of a diagnosis as I have got from my Mother's doctors (she had 3 strokes, 2 major). I know exactly what you mean - mild is NOT the word I would use to describe it.

    Honestly, my approach varies as much by how I feel and how she seems as any defined system. Sometimes I let it go, sometimes I correct her, and neither way seems to work better. In the latter case, she's already forgotten that I've corrected her within 60 seconds, so it neither changes the behaviour, nor causes much upset. On occasion, taking the former approach, I've got a tart "don't humour me", so you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    So, no words of wisdom, just a lot of sympathy.

    Jennifer
     
  3. Gromit

    Gromit Registered User

    Apr 3, 2006
    187
    Edinburgh
    Hi BJ,

    Well done you for starting your first thread!!! Thanks for the PM earlier.

    This is a great place to let off steam, shed those tears, share a giggle, enjoy a huge belly laugh and receive kindness and wisdom.

    I cried a bit when I typed my first post - I think its almost a reflex from the relief to be telling others and also to be acknowledging these things to ourselves. You will feel much better when the replies flood in!!!

    My Dad can get a bit argumentative (did I say a bit!!!) if we correct him. For example, place an order for something to be delivered - hasn't turned up yet so he will chase for it. Then half an hour later will want to chase again - because he doesn't believe us that he phoned them already. Then he will want to do it again - so we have to correct him quite sternly at that point. Know what he did........snuck outside with his mobile phone because he didn't believe us and phoned them again!!!! Of course, he doesn't remember it but we were trying to save him any embarassment.

    Its a struggle knowing what to do - I think your own internal instincts will be your best guide. I would try do whatever keeps you as calm as possible - that way you are also taking care of yourself and your Mum. But if you do snap occasionally (and we all do) don't beat yourself up - its all forgotten and forgiven before you know it!

    Look forward to hearing from you again soon. Welcome to the gang!!!
    X
     
  4. Amy

    Amy Registered User

    Jan 4, 2006
    3,453
    Hiya Billie Jay and welcome to TP. You don't sound wimpish at all. 10 days of being around mum has made you realised that you have lost part of her, and you are ggrieving for her. That is OK. You need to accept the new situation, and then get on with living with it.
    I think often there is no point in correcting mum when she makes a mistake - it may just make her more aware of what is happening, and upset her. It must be so scarey for her (and you), knowing that there is something going on in her brain, but not knowing what the future holds. Goodness, I remember crying with my mum the night before I got her to go to the GP, and her reassuring me that it would be OK. The thing is at that point, we both knew that we would face it together.
    So BJ. It is not trivial. The tears are OK - and whether the cognitive impairment is mild or serious, TP is the place for you. You are not on your own, and people reading your post know something of your grief and your pain and your fears.
    Love Helen
     
  5. Grannie G

    Grannie G Volunteer Moderator

    Apr 3, 2006
    69,337
    Kent
    Hi BillieJay

    I hope you get as much reassurance from TP as I do.

    Although my Husband has AD, his cognitive impairment, whether it be mild or severe, causes similar syptoms to your Mother.

    He asks questions repeatedly, the same question over and over again. I try to answer them as if it were the first time he asked. If ever I become impatient or a bit snappy, I can see that he honestly doesn`t understand why I reacted in that way and I know I hurt him.

    He makes the most ridiculous statements, giving me the benefit of all his worldly wisdom, and I agree with him, because you can bet your bottom dollar he`ll have forgotten what he said within 5 minutes.

    He has just started doing some `Keep fit` exercises with me. I am trying this to relieve his boredom. We have been doing them together for a week and every day, he acts as if it were the first. He is so surprised when I say it`s exercise time, he doesn`t know what I`m talking about. When we`ve completed the exercises, it`s as if he`s discovered a new pastime.

    If anyone has any suggestions to relieve boredom, I`d love to hear them. This is such a difficult stage. He is unable to generate anything to occupy himself and relies on me constantly to provide stimulation. He gets bored with TV, `reads` the Paper but only really turns the pages. He listens to the Radio as backgroud, but I don`t think he really hears it unless some beautiful music is played. He doesn`t like to Garden [he never has] and has never had hobbies or been keen on DIY.

    The only household task he can still do is vaccing, but even then, he just vacs round the furniture. He used to do all the shopping and all the cooking but those skills have gone.

    The saddest part is when we go out for a walk and he tells me how lucky we both are to be in such good health. He has plans for the next 10 years and tells me about them, all day and every day.

    Sorry Billiejay to have gone on a bit, but you can see, for all of us, there certainly is cause for tears. We cannot fail to be affected by so much suffering.

    Take Care, and let your Mother have her bit of Glory. Grannie G
     
  6. Lynne

    Lynne Registered User

    Jun 3, 2005
    3,433
    Suffolk,England
    Hi BillieJay

    I've just recently been through the stage you seem to be at now, and it's awful, so don't feel badly about having a moan and letting off steam. Somehow it seems so wrong to agree with Mum when she says something totally false, but it also goes against all the upbringing & years of respect to contradict her.

    As with most things, the best we can do is a compromise, somewhere in the middle. If it matters, query her statement gently & tactfully (especially if in front of other people), maybe offering an alternative suggestion in a way which allows her to change her story easily. If it doesn't matter, just let it go. She will probably forget what she said within minutes anyway, so why invite dissent over something trivial? Especially as it seems she does realise inside what is happening to her, even if she doesn't want to admit it or discuss it openly.

    And yes, it's heartbreaking to realise that the Mum who could once tackle anything has now disappeared, leaving a sad little ghost of her former self, trying so hard to maintain the facade of who she was against all the odds. I've cried buckets over the last couple of years, and probably more water-butts to come yet.
     
  7. DickG

    DickG Registered User

    Feb 26, 2006
    558
    Stow-on-the-Wold
    Hi Billiejay

    Not much wisdom I am afraid but you can be assured that we all understand much of what you feel. I have learnt to accept the situation as I cannot change it and that acceptance gives me a small measure of comfort. It still hurts none-the-less. What ever name is given to the condition the effect on the carer is the same, so perhaps we should rename all these conditions careritis.

    Keep posting, cry, laugh, swear or joke do what ever makes you feel better - we are all listening.

    Hugs

    Dick
     
  8. Norman

    Norman Registered User

    Oct 9, 2003
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    Birmingham Hades
  9. Tender Face

    Tender Face Account Closed

    Mar 14, 2006
    5,379
    NW England
    Hi BillieJay

    Just wanted to say welcome and please don't dismiss anything you feel as trivial. I'm learning that often it's the 'little things' which hit home the hardest.....

    Love, Karen, x
     
  10. alfjess

    alfjess Registered User

    Jul 10, 2006
    1,213
    south lanarkshire
    Hi
    What's the best way to respond to Mum when she makes one of her (wrong) statements?
    I have found through caring for my Mum, who makes wrong statements 10 times a day, that if, it is not harming anyone, go with it. It is so much easier than trying to correct her, which is a waste of time anyway. 2mins later we will be back on the same merry go round, because she has forgotten the previous conversation and I have found to my cost that I get stressed and so does she, trying to explain things correctly and in the end it doesn't matter anyway.
    Then again your Mum has Mild cognitive impairment, where as mine has AD/Dementia. Maybe there is a difference, I don't know.
    Welcome to TP. I hope you find the help and support here, that I have
    Alfjess
     
  11. alfjess

    alfjess Registered User

    Jul 10, 2006
    1,213
    south lanarkshire
    Hi
    Sorry I forgot to say in my last post that your are not wet nor a wimp or indeed trivial. I would say you are in the best place to learn from others. Well done you for being concerned enough to find TP.
    Aljess
     
  12. Sandy

    Sandy Registered User

    Mar 23, 2005
    6,847
    Hi BillieJay,

    First of all, welcome to TP and nothing about your post was in any way trivial.

    Alzheimer's has been described as "The long goodbye" and your reactions (and also your mother's) reflect some of the grief that accompanies that process of change.

    If you are able to listen to the radio over the internet, you might find this Radio 4 programme on a couple coping with the husband's MCI worth listening to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/memory/programmes/me_and_my_memory5.shtml

    What was really moving about this radio programme was the openess between the husband and wife when it came to discussing his MCI. I think it could feel terribly isolating to have MCI with all the awareness of the changes in one's own abilities.

    Since the visit to the memory clinic, have you been able to discuss things with your mother and father?

    Take care,

    Sandy
     
  13. BillieJay

    BillieJay Registered User

    Aug 31, 2006
    10
    #13 BillieJay, Sep 1, 2006
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2006
    Thank you

    Thank you all for your support. I read the messages last night, but as each post came in it hit a different bit of the nail so exactly on the head that I was in no fit state to reply. As you'll have gathered, yesterday was the day it hit me like an oncoming train.

    As Amy says, I have to make sure this is a positive experience in the long run, that I now move forward instead of looking back. And jenniferpa, I don't mind in the least that it made you smile. One thing I'd already learned from reading the board is that it's best to laugh rather than cry if you possibly can.

    Sandy we've 'discussed' it in as much as it isn't being swept under the carpet. However my parents are both Yorkshire stubborn (as I said to Gromit in a pm, what DO they put in the water there??) and open communication and shows of affection have never been our strong point. You're just expected to know that everybody thinks the world of everybody else. Our family's idea of a gooey Christmas card (to each other, let alone the neighbours) is one pre-printed with the words 'Happy Christmas'. A very gooey card is printed 'A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year'. As well as reading the leaflets posters have highlighted, I also read the one on memory loss, with their emphasis on non verbal communication and touch. I feel a very steep learning curve looming....

    Thank you all again so much. I hope I get myself together soon to help somebody else at least a bit as much as you've helped me.

    BJx
     
  14. Canadian Joanne

    Canadian Joanne Volunteer Moderator

    Apr 8, 2005
    16,093
    Toronto, Canada
    BillieJay,
    It will come to you in time. You will be able to help people, don't you worry.

    The beginning was the hardest for me, getting over the shock of it all, learning to adjust. I have my bad days still but I've learned to live with what I cannot change. My mother is in late stage AD, diagnosed at the age of (just turned) 64. I think I cried for 3 months straight. I'm amazed I didn't dehydrate with all my tears.

    But time is a great healer - time and acceptance. You'll get there. In the meantime, do all those little things with your mum that you've always meant to but haven't got around to. You will be glad you did later on.

    Joanne
     
  15. Tender Face

    Tender Face Account Closed

    Mar 14, 2006
    5,379
    NW England
    BJ, you did it already for me!!! Loved the stuff about the gooey cards!!!! I've personally given up 'getting myself together' ... in fact think I have already metamorphosed into a zillion piece jigsaw .... maybe someone could take a patent out????? :)

    Well done!!! Thank you! Look forward to hearing more from you.....

    Love, Karen, x
     
  16. Gromit

    Gromit Registered User

    Apr 3, 2006
    187
    Edinburgh
    Yorkshire

    Hi BJ,
    Hope all the replies have lifted your spirits. I just had to comment on the "Yorkshire" theme we seem to have........ it is sooooo true!!! Do you get the awkward bit when you say goodbye after a visit - should you hug or kiss on the cheek or slap on the back?........ its always really awkward and to outsiders we must look like we've only just met - shows of emotion are very clumsy and for some reason just not done in Yorkshire - weird huh! I do make a point of hugging my Mum and Dad when I am leaving now though - making the most of it. Still has a strange feel to it though - almost as though we are embarassed! Your Christmas Card comment is bang on! For birthday cards we always go for humour cards nothing goooey!

    Back to the STM thing though you may be able to relate to this - I've just had a long conversation with Dad on the phone (don't get many long conversations on the phone usually fobs me off onto Mum) but Mum is having a nap so he had to speak to me. Once he got going we had a good old chat - however he was very repeatative, kept telling me about a lunchbox they have bought their grandaughter - I responded each time as though it was the first time and it went extremely well. I also answered the same questions about what I am doing this weekend - that worked well too - I kept the same enthusiasm in my voice and it was great as it meant I spoke to my Dad for a long time and we were able to laugh and joke together at length - granted it was punctuated with repeatative questions but they were worth it as we also managed to talk about other things too.

    He told me all about the doctor visiting - can you believe he even said there was no need for her to call at the house even though it was very nice of her - he would have happily gone to the doctors (what??? We've only been trying to pursuade him to go for months - must have forgotten eh? Ahem). Anyway he's really upbeat about the whole thing - knows he's going for tests - but doesn't really know why - but happy to be going and getting the attention!!! Can't believe this turn around!

    Only problem is - it all now seems very real to me and Mum - and have to admit I had a blubbing session this morning - probably just starting to sink in.

    So BJ - by posting on here you are hleping me already - I really enjoyed hearing about the gooey cards and its good to share our experiences - both about Yorkshire and STM!!!!

    Sorry I seem to have gone on a bit and written a novel - but I'm having one of those days where I feel like I need to talk about it if you know what I mean (blubbing prevention technique perhaps???)

    All the best.
    G
    XXXXXXXX
     
  17. BillieJay

    BillieJay Registered User

    Aug 31, 2006
    10
     
  18. Lila13

    Lila13 Registered User

    Feb 24, 2006
    1,342
    My mother and I weren't on huggy-kissy terms, but when she was ill I used to rub her hair, face, hands, back and feet with a variety of lotions and potions, and she liked that, and when she was going into a strop I stroked her hair and patted her hands. I patted her hands when she said "bye bye Mummy" the last time in the hospital.
     
  19. Lonestray

    Lonestray Registered User

    Aug 3, 2006
    236
    Hereford
    Traveling back in time

    Hi BillyJay, after 11 years of caring for my wife I learned that Alzheimer's was like a box of tissues: first in last out. In other words my wife could only relate to the past, like her being late for school. Can it therefore be surprising if they reach the stage of "Are we there yet, are we there yet?" Like the antics of a child there's little point in losing your cool. It's less stressful, very rewarding and can be fun being patience. I also found each small changes are signposts to future steps down the Alzheimer's road. Presently she can't speak and can only move one hand. That hand sometimes is limp, other times a firm hold. There are times I can't get her attention, but I treasure the time while I can. I'm very lucky to be able to care for my wife on my own in so many ways like no generation gap. It must be tough for younger carers. She and I hope to have our birthdays of 72 & 75 on the 7 & 8 Oct and our 51st wedding ann. the 24th Sep. I wish you well in your endevours. Padraig
     
  20. DickG

    DickG Registered User

    Feb 26, 2006
    558
    Stow-on-the-Wold
    I lived in Yorkshire for three years and my bosses genuinely affectionate greeting was "Ay oop yer daft sod" any other greeting and you were out of favour.

    Dick
     

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