I had cut and pasted into this message the article from Saga magazine (called Where have all the care homes gone? " ) referred to by Norman in Thread called Ladyman in 'Support for people with dementia and their carers'. But it seems this may be in breach of copyright so in the meantime here is the link to the page on the the SAGA website. http://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/article/9C8EBD48-8C1F-4A9A-930F-EF068E6A7B77.asp?bhcp=1 It is the Care Homes issue - Jan 2005 if you have difficlty with this link. Please post any comments on this in Normans thread - to extend the debate. Thanks. "Where have all the care homes gone? "