Can anyone tell me what sun downing is?

tiggs72

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Hi

Does anyone have any links or info on sun downing ??? Dad is really confused late afternoon early evening and one of the carers said this was probably sun downing.

Is this a new phase? Does it pass? Any suggestions for things I can do to help?

Thanks

Tiggs
 

Grannie G

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Hello Tiggs

Sundowning? How long does it go on for? How long is a piece of string?

My understanding is Sundowning is a period of restlessness and increased confusion, late afternoon, early evening.

My husband had sundowning almost daily. In his case he suddenly didn`t know me and went out to look for his real wife and his real family. All I could do was follow him at a distance , because I was unable to restrain him and there was absolutely no point in trying to reason with him.

It might be completely different with your dad and you will learn by trial and error how to manage it.

The AS Factsheet might help you understand it more.

http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=159
 

tiggs72

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Sundowning? How long does it go on for? How long is a piece of string?

My understanding is Sundowning is a period of restlessness and increased confusion, late afternoon, early evening.

My husband had sundowning almost daily. In his case he suddenly didn`t know me and went out to look for his real wife and his real family. All I could do was follow him at a distance , because I was unable to restrain him and there was absolutely no point in trying to reason with him.

It might be completely different with your dad and you will learn by trial and error how to manage it.

The AS Factsheet might help you understand it more.

http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=159

Thanks Grannie G

Yesterday dad rang me at 4 and said he wanted to go out and get his hair cut !!! He's not even got a right lot left to cut!

The hairdressers he used to go to locally has long since gone - fortunately the carers arrived and managed to talk him round! I was so worried he was going to go wandering! He's shown no interest in leave the flat (other than to harasses the work men who are fixing the garage roofs where he lives!) until this phone call.

I shall have a little read this morning

Hope today is a good one for u

T xx
 

Grannie G

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Sundowning often means people go back in time, either when they were younger or even to childhood Tiggs.

Your dad will have been at a time when he had enough hair to cut.

My husband was looking for his mother and his uncles.
 

tiggs72

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Sundowning often means people go back in time, either when they were younger or even to childhood Tiggs.

Your dad will have been at a time when he had enough hair to cut.

My husband was looking for his mother and his uncles.

Funnily enough several things have happened - 1 he keeps talking about the army , 2 he keeps thinking my brother is still alive (he died aged 12 about 23 years ago ) and 3 things my best mates new baby is mine (assuming he things its my younger son who's now nearly 14!)

I don't ever tell him my brother is dead as I think that would be so hard for him - is that the right think to do?

I've collected a big box of photos from years ago and more recently and he seems quite happy to rummage through them with carers and me and my friend.

My heart breaks to see him looking at the ones of my brother.

So very sad - but thanks for the info, it's helped explain the latest phases we are experiencing

X
 

Grannie G

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Just go along with everything your dad says if you can Tiggs. I know it`s very upsetting but it will only add to his confusion and upset if you try to tell him how it really is.

By the sounds of it you are doing everything right. :)
 

rajahh

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My husband often reverts back to his army days too. I can almost set the clock as to when he will become more confused. As GrannieG says you just have to go along with it as best you can.

It is amazing how at first it throws you completely, and then after a while you just deal with it relatively easily.

Jeannette
 

Austinsmum

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My mum is constantly agitated and looking for clues. Clues to remind her what it was she was doing before she forgot what she was doing... And because she will always be unsuccessful in her hunt she gets even more agitated, tearing the lining out of clothes, handbags and curtains, taking all the cases off pillows and cushions, ripping insoles out of all the shoes, decanting cereal boxes. She never rests, so if this is sundowning she starts around 5am and keeps it up all day. I too wonder how long this stage will last but unfortunately it’s anyone’s guess :(
 

stillcaring

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It's all very individual.

My mum has just started on blood pressure medication and I'm calling in every day to give it to her around 5pm because that is a time I can always be there, though it's not when I would have usually seen her before. The amazing thing has been that after 3 days she has been helpful, cooperative and fairly sensible each time. This is NOT normal for my mother. She seems to understand why she needs it and why I've got it. I can only assume that for her this is a good time of day and one I've not really seen. I've always known that for her the confusion was worse in the morning than the afternoon, but hadn't realised how good it would be by later on.
 

Barry

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The easy answer would have been to just to say yes (It happens like clockwork) but I think the subject is far more complex than that as it seems that Sundowning as it’s called can affect people with our illness at different times of the day, “in fact” a similar thing can also happen at the beginning of the day when the sun is rising, although the latter part of the day when the sun is setting seems to be the most significant time...

One thing I should explain is that here in Indonesia and some other parts of ‘Asia Sun Rise and Sunset’ occurs at about the same time everyday of the year, by 6am its broad daylight and by 6pm it’s getting dark unlike European countries when during the summer you have extended hours of sunlight from 4am-9pm which in itself could have some significance as to when a person starts to feel the effects of Sundowning?

But how does it make me feel: I think the best way I could describe it is to say that it causes a similar feeling that I can still remember after having had a nervous breakdown some years ago that at the time resulted in extremely deep depression.

For me it normally starts at around 3-4pm when I start to feel very lethargic and just seem to be wandering around the house utterly lost in my own world mumbling to myself or sitting in a chair drifting into daydreams (in fact my dear wife Sumi says she can now tell what time of day it is without looking at the clock) I fell as though the end of day is trying to drain every last bit of energy out of my body, all my limbs become extremely weak and I find it very difficult even to go for our walk but still go in a effort to ward off the Sundowning effect, I can become incredibly short tempered and loose all sense of rationality and sometimes become verbally aggressive and argumentative, you feel as though the whole world is against you and that whatever you say or do is wrong so I don’t like to be posed any questions at this time of day not even (what do you want for dinner) and I certainly don’t like to have any visitors at this time not unless they want their heads bitten off as my mind is at a total loss of any comprehension, all I want is to have my dear wife by my side but she now realizes that it’s best to talk to me very soothingly and I’m sure that she now just agrees with everything I say in an effort to keep me calm and also makes sure the house is kept peaceful without any excessive noise to further confuse my mind (Bless her as she has so much patients with me) as I start to feel as though I have the whole weight of the world’s problems upon my shoulders and everything becomes a effort so much so that my wife now has to help me bathe and get dressed as I’m so agitated and shaky...

So there is nothing that actually triggers the Sundowning apart from the setting of the sun as it descends towards the horizon which makes it feel as though its automatically starting by itself, but if it’s not handled with sensitivity then there could be untoward repercussions, also I should add that not everyday is the same as some can be worse than others and sometimes I can go for a few days without feeling any effects of Sundowning and the other strange thing is that even the weather conditions at the end of day can have some influence if its overcast I feel much better and responsive but if it’s a strong bright crimson sunset that we get out here then the draining affect starts much quicker, in fact, I get much the same affect when I go into a shop that has to brighter a neon, or flashing lighting...

“Now read of the reality when I’m Sundowning”​

This is written on actuality not supposition from when my dear wife Sumi and I went for our end of day walk it’s not just a one off situation or sensation for me it’s more of an occurrence day after day that totally shatters me!

It was just 4-30pm as the sun starts descending over the horizon when lethargy takes a grasp of me and the Sundowning affect ‘tolls the knell of my end of day’ so I’m writing this down trying to express the depths of my ‘true inner feelings’ at that exact moment in time...
My whole body aches as the muscles try to maintain some equilibrium, and as we go for our walk every faltering step I take being like that of wearing shoes made from concrete that’s slowly setting and intensifying in weight, which makes me weigh heavily on my walking stick and Sumi’s arm otherwise I feel I could just pass out from utter exhaustion as my mind is consumed in a dense obscure cloud of disorientation and bewilderment, my limbs are trembling so much I don’t know what to do with them to ease the tremor… my vision has become blurred as my eyes feel heavy wanting to sleep and escape from the sun’s setting draining sensation, so Sumi tries talking to me to take my mind of the horizon as my eyes have become mesmerized following the sun’s descent and harsh rays… but I can’t comprehend what she’s saying, I try to reply but any form of words and speech are held tight within me so all I do is mumble something incoherent which then makes me frustrated and I become really irritated and tetchy with her, the slightest little noise is more like thunderbolts slamming into my ears and making me very anxious and extremely jumpy...
The further the sun sinks away… the further I go into despair of doom and gloom… and sometimes it gets me to the point of saying to Sumi: (I’ve had enough of this, maybe it would be better if it all ended now, and I did not wake up again) as I can almost sense death waiting round the corner taunting me when in this daily living hell of Sundowning, I can see the tears glistening and running down her cheeks as she holds on more tightly to me saying ‘please don’t speak like that’ but I seem to be oblivious to her own anguish as my whole being is so distraught by the time of day that I just want it to come to an end...
As I said those where my exact feelings made from notes one evening, but as I type them out the next morning I had little recollection of that moment in time… it’s as if it never existed… as this morning I feel a completely different person still full of determination and the spirit of fighting this terrible illness, but when Sundowning strikes it takes us into a completely different world of anxiety within dementia...
I will be very interested to know what others people’s observations are with Sundowning as it’s another part of the illness that doesn’t affect us all in the same way.

Please feel free to copy this to your friends or on your own Blog sites as it might help other people to better understand how Sundowning can affect a person who has any type of dementia...

Barry
 

Dawnbreaker

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How great to hear from someone experiencing this phenomenon and who can describe what it feels like. Thank you Barry!
 

tiggs72

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Jul 15, 2013
142
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The easy answer would have been to just to say yes (It happens like clockwork) but I think the subject is far more complex than that as it seems that Sundowning as it’s called can affect people with our illness at different times of the day, “in fact” a similar thing can also happen at the beginning of the day when the sun is rising, although the latter part of the day when the sun is setting seems to be the most significant time...

One thing I should explain is that here in Indonesia and some other parts of ‘Asia Sun Rise and Sunset’ occurs at about the same time everyday of the year, by 6am its broad daylight and by 6pm it’s getting dark unlike European countries when during the summer you have extended hours of sunlight from 4am-9pm which in itself could have some significance as to when a person starts to feel the effects of Sundowning?

But how does it make me feel: I think the best way I could describe it is to say that it causes a similar feeling that I can still remember after having had a nervous breakdown some years ago that at the time resulted in extremely deep depression.

For me it normally starts at around 3-4pm when I start to feel very lethargic and just seem to be wandering around the house utterly lost in my own world mumbling to myself or sitting in a chair drifting into daydreams (in fact my dear wife Sumi says she can now tell what time of day it is without looking at the clock) I fell as though the end of day is trying to drain every last bit of energy out of my body, all my limbs become extremely weak and I find it very difficult even to go for our walk but still go in a effort to ward off the Sundowning effect, I can become incredibly short tempered and loose all sense of rationality and sometimes become verbally aggressive and argumentative, you feel as though the whole world is against you and that whatever you say or do is wrong so I don’t like to be posed any questions at this time of day not even (what do you want for dinner) and I certainly don’t like to have any visitors at this time not unless they want their heads bitten off as my mind is at a total loss of any comprehension, all I want is to have my dear wife by my side but she now realizes that it’s best to talk to me very soothingly and I’m sure that she now just agrees with everything I say in an effort to keep me calm and also makes sure the house is kept peaceful without any excessive noise to further confuse my mind (Bless her as she has so much patients with me) as I start to feel as though I have the whole weight of the world’s problems upon my shoulders and everything becomes a effort so much so that my wife now has to help me bathe and get dressed as I’m so agitated and shaky...

So there is nothing that actually triggers the Sundowning apart from the setting of the sun as it descends towards the horizon which makes it feel as though its automatically starting by itself, but if it’s not handled with sensitivity then there could be untoward repercussions, also I should add that not everyday is the same as some can be worse than others and sometimes I can go for a few days without feeling any effects of Sundowning and the other strange thing is that even the weather conditions at the end of day can have some influence if its overcast I feel much better and responsive but if it’s a strong bright crimson sunset that we get out here then the draining affect starts much quicker, in fact, I get much the same affect when I go into a shop that has to brighter a neon, or flashing lighting...

“Now read of the reality when I’m Sundowning”​

This is written on actuality not supposition from when my dear wife Sumi and I went for our end of day walk it’s not just a one off situation or sensation for me it’s more of an occurrence day after day that totally shatters me!

It was just 4-30pm as the sun starts descending over the horizon when lethargy takes a grasp of me and the Sundowning affect ‘tolls the knell of my end of day’ so I’m writing this down trying to express the depths of my ‘true inner feelings’ at that exact moment in time...
My whole body aches as the muscles try to maintain some equilibrium, and as we go for our walk every faltering step I take being like that of wearing shoes made from concrete that’s slowly setting and intensifying in weight, which makes me weigh heavily on my walking stick and Sumi’s arm otherwise I feel I could just pass out from utter exhaustion as my mind is consumed in a dense obscure cloud of disorientation and bewilderment, my limbs are trembling so much I don’t know what to do with them to ease the tremor… my vision has become blurred as my eyes feel heavy wanting to sleep and escape from the sun’s setting draining sensation, so Sumi tries talking to me to take my mind of the horizon as my eyes have become mesmerized following the sun’s descent and harsh rays… but I can’t comprehend what she’s saying, I try to reply but any form of words and speech are held tight within me so all I do is mumble something incoherent which then makes me frustrated and I become really irritated and tetchy with her, the slightest little noise is more like thunderbolts slamming into my ears and making me very anxious and extremely jumpy...
The further the sun sinks away… the further I go into despair of doom and gloom… and sometimes it gets me to the point of saying to Sumi: (I’ve had enough of this, maybe it would be better if it all ended now, and I did not wake up again) as I can almost sense death waiting round the corner taunting me when in this daily living hell of Sundowning, I can see the tears glistening and running down her cheeks as she holds on more tightly to me saying ‘please don’t speak like that’ but I seem to be oblivious to her own anguish as my whole being is so distraught by the time of day that I just want it to come to an end...
As I said those where my exact feelings made from notes one evening, but as I type them out the next morning I had little recollection of that moment in time… it’s as if it never existed… as this morning I feel a completely different person still full of determination and the spirit of fighting this terrible illness, but when Sundowning strikes it takes us into a completely different world of anxiety within dementia...
I will be very interested to know what others people’s observations are with Sundowning as it’s another part of the illness that doesn’t affect us all in the same way.

Please feel free to copy this to your friends or on your own Blog sites as it might help other people to better understand how Sundowning can affect a person who has any type of dementia...

Barry

Barry thanks for sharing and giving me some insight into what dad is going thru hopefully I can now understand why he is so agitated and how to help him. You are so lucky to have yr wife helping u thru this - dad only has me and lives on his own but we manage to muddle thru.

T x
 

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