My beloved Daddy has gone - hospital neglect, doctors arrogance - we are shattered.

24fan

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My father had been in hospital for twelve weeks. Got over double pneumonia but wasn't given an expectorant - the consultant, a heart specialist lied to my face and said they didn't work - and he didn't bring up any phlegm so chest infection number two set in, no expectorant again but he was as strong as a horse and managed to get over that one and the next, this time with an expectorant as the consultant had been changed.

Recovering nicely and finally free of infection in a quiet bay, someone decided that it would be better for his mental stimulation if he was moved back to an acute ward, full of germs and it's not like you can argue when your gut feeling says this really isn't a good idea and they have their medical 'knowledge' to simply over-ride you. So, he finally got an MRI (eight weeks in!) which showed a small bleed in the area that affects speech and swallowing so all of a sudden he became eligible for a PEG - we were so relieved - and then the discharge date was held up by his consultant's holiday - well, it would be wouldn't it?!!! - and then he'd got another infection.

They were so busy being sure that he'd simply keep getting aspiration pneumonia because of the dementia that they couldn't be open to the possibility that he might not - he hadn't in the seven years he's had dementia because he slept on his side with his mouth shut normally and couldn't do that in hospital because of the NG tube he had for so long because they wouldn't make a decision about the PEG, and so there he was, always having to breathe through his mouth, and them not bothering about the germs he was hoovering up in a ward with people coughing, let alone dying, around him.

From start to finish he seemed to be doomed; it seemed like everything that could be done to kill him off was done. Call me paranoid but when the treatment for people in much worse physical shape but without dementia was so different, it wouldn't surprise me at all to hear, at some point in the future, that someone high level in the NHS had the bright idea of making a list of 'issues' and if you ticked enough boxes then the care would be the minimum so as not to arouse suspicion by families, and enough to make sure the hospital couldn't be sued, but the idea would be to cull a few off who don't really matter because they can't recover and there's no point to them. That's how I felt about my father's care, let alone this Liverpool Care Pathway nonsense; euthanasia with a pretty name is all that is, and why have so much secrecy about it if it is 'proper' care?

So, a discharge meeting had been set up for sometime in the week he died - so close, so very close to getting him safely home and yet here we are, without him. My mother and I are just broken.

When we went to register his death, we said that the third of the causes of death should be neglect given all that had gone on and evidently there is an alert with aspiration pneumonia and cases can be referred to the Coroner if there are issues surrounding the death so we had that done. We were praying that it didn't mean a post-mortem but it did and he didn't die of aspiration pneumonia as stated by his consultant but broncho-pneumonia which is germs not his own fluids and given that move back into an acute ward, foreseeable and thus preventable so we are not letting it go; I couldn't protect him enough when he was alive so the only thing I can do for him now is to fight to make the hospital and its pathologically arrogant staff pay for what they have done to him, and to me. I wasn't ready for this. I wouldn't have cared if we hadn't been able to get him mobile again, if he couldn't talk quite so much - he spoke to me the morning of the day he died, how can that be? - if he had to be turned every four hours in the night and fed through a tube, or even if we hadn't had much longer, all I wanted was to bring him home and take care of him and make what was left of his life full of light, sun and love, and now I have nothing. If it wasn't for my mother, I'd have joined him by now; I don't know how to keep going without him.

He had become our entire lives. You don't realise quite how much until it is gone. Everything was about him and his needs, his food, his laundry, everything. I'm not complaining and I would give up all this new found (and so desperately unwanted) freedom in a heartbeat to return to what I had, and the worse that there would have been when he came home but it never occurred to me that he wouldn't.

I sat by his bedside every day from lunchtime until 7.30 p.m. at the earliest and had the time to write my diary for a change, so there are all my concerns stated, as well as documents that went to PALS on a regular basis so there is a paper trail of my complaining about the rubbish way the nurses treated him, the doctors arrogance and the difference in his treatment in comparison to others, so it's not like I didn't raise concerns - I don't know if any of it will help though, and there is always going to be my guilt at not having pushed hard enough to get him released but it was like herding cats trying to get anyone to do anything.

I have no doubt that the hospital will try to wriggle out of any liability and even more likely is trying to blame me, that started before Daddy died, but I will try my hardest not to let them get away with this. Even the death certificate was incorrect and again, due to the arrogance of doctors thinking they could get away with breaking the rules, and their assumptions as to how he died - the certificate from the hospital should be signed by the consultant treating the person and then all the notes are supposed to be reviewed by someone who hasn't had anything to do with the patient, so why was it co-signed by one of the junior doctors on the consultant's team? She may not have known the correct procedure but there is no way he didn't know.

We don't ever have to deal with anyone from Social Services again is about the only light in this terrible soul-destroying gloom but we have paid far too high a price for that. I truly don't know how we will ever get over this. My mother is 81 and I'm an only child and if it wasn't for her ... so how do I face the inevitability of this again, with no-one but me to cope and remember, and no support?

My anger is helping, and endless tidying and sorting out of things that have piled up for years but the thought of never seeing him again, never hearing him talk to me again, never being able to cuddle or shave him, or fuss over him is so, so hard to bear as are the memories of him everywhere, not just our home but all over our town where I wheeled him daily.

Like I said, we are broken.

Oh and I'm supposed to go and sign on at the Job Centre in a few weeks to find a job after all this - how is that going to happen? I can hardly walk about, I'm not eating and I'm reliant on sleeping pills - the perfect employee.
 

DeborahBlythe

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I'm really sorry for your loss, 24fan, and for all the trauma you and your dad have gone through.
 

turbo

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I am sorry to read your sad news about your dad 24fan. My sincere condolences.


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Izzy

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How terribly sad. I'm so sorry for your loss.


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Saffie

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O 24fan, I am sitting here in tears. Your post is so vivid that I can feel your pain and anger and no wonder with you feeling so betrayed by those that should have cared more. I do hope you get some answers that will go some way to helping you deal with your grief and concern about the way your father was treated.
My sympathy on the loss of your so obviously very loved father.
 

tarababe

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I'm so sorry for your loss and feel for what you are going through. It's hard to comment as I am kind of in a similar situation to you, however we are waiting the outcome of a coroners inquest until we decide if and what we do. It certainly seems to be an issue with the level of care people with dementia seem to get though.:mad:
 

SisterAct

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So Sorry to hear about your Dad. I hope you manage to get some closure on this.
Take Care
Luv
Barb and Polly
xx
 

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Helen33

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Dear 24fan, what a dreadful situation you have been experiencing. I am so sorry for your loss and will be wishing you strength as you tread the path before you. I can understand you will be devastated, angry and extremely disappointed that you were robbed of the opportunity of caring for your father at home.

It seems particularly harsh having to seek for work under these circumstances. Many people would be taking time off work on compassionate leave.

Love
 

KentJude

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I'm so sorry 24fan to read that you've lost your beloved dad after you and your mum's heroic fight for him. You did your absolute best in the circumstances, tough and unjust as they evidently were. I can totally empathise with your feelings. I'm not an only child but I may as well be and know how hard it is to make decisions when everything seems against you, and and to take all that responsibility, it's the hardest thing we'll ever do probably. I'm sorry your dad didn't make it home even for a few days - but be reassured you did your level best for him there too.

I wish you strength for the new, though still tough, road ahead and I hope you get your justice for him. I empathise with you re returning to the job market too. I feel there should be a back to work scheme run by local authorities for carers.

Also wishing you and your mum courage and eventual well deserved peace.

Jude
 

littlegem

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So sorry 24fan that you lost your beloved Dad and that he died in such dreadful circumstances.
Wishing you strength for the next few difficult weeks.
Take care
xxx
 

24fan

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Thank you.

Thank you all for your kind words. After I'd written the post and was lying in bed waiting for the wonderful oblivion that the sleeping pills give me for a few precious hours, I realised that it doesn't change anything, no matter how we fight, whether we fail or succeed, none of it matters, it can't change what has happened and that is the only thing I care about. I know it can't be; I watched Daddy die, I've seen him in his coffin and I know he was cremated so it isn't possible for him to come back and for us to have our life together again, so what does any of the fighting matter?

They seemed determined to kill him from the moment he got there, because, I think, he had dementia, he couldn't recover from that so what was the point to him, not that he was a person, with value and our precious man, and they succeeded so what is the point in trying to get them to admit it, they won't.
 

Aquamanda

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I am so sorry 24fan. You must be devastated at the way your father's life ended and the poor level of treatment he had. Please try and take some comfort from the fact that you were with him so much at this time and I am sure he knew that and appreciated it. Your last post is very realistic. Whatever you do will not bring your father back. Also I am sure they will not get into any discussion regarding other patient's comparable treatment as that will be 'confidential' so I think you will hit a brick wall there. And of course they will never admit that your father was treated differently due to dementia. You really have enough to cope with while you are grieving for your father but if you do want to pursue it, it will add to your stress in the short term; I really believe the most you will get from the hospital is an acknowledgement of your complaint, possibly a reply to any points you make, and at best, a carefully worded apology without admitting any liability. If you feel that may stop other people from suffering as your father did or if you feel a formal complaint would give you closure, then pursue it. But do bear in mind how you would feel if they are totally defensive of their position and do not acknowledge any mistakes etc as that may cause you even more heartache. As well as the PALS office, there should be a complaints office and PALS may also be able to put you in touch with an independant (and free) advocate who may take up the complaint on your behalf. I can understand how hurt you must feel and am sending lots of good wishes your way.
 

prettygirl

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Thank you all for your kind words. After I'd written the post and was lying in bed waiting for the wonderful oblivion that the sleeping pills give me for a few precious hours, I realised that it doesn't change anything, no matter how we fight, whether we fail or succeed, none of it matters, it can't change what has happened and that is the only thing I care about. I know it can't be; I watched Daddy die, I've seen him in his coffin and I know he was cremated so it isn't possible for him to come back and for us to have our life together again, so what does any of the fighting matter?

They seemed determined to kill him from the moment he got there, because, I think, he had dementia, he couldn't recover from that so what was the point to him, not that he was a person, with value and our precious man, and they succeeded so what is the point in trying to get them to admit it, they won't.
so sorry to read about your post about your beloved dad. I was in tears reading this and what you have been and are still going through as my dad is still herer but in a nursing home he wants to come home to
die but my 4 sisters are against it...do i override their wishes as they do not really care fo my dad they are just relieved some one else has that worry..i want dad here with me 87 miles away either in a nursing home where i can visit every day for several hours and give him some quality of life or in my house which my husband has finally although difficult, agreed with.....you have helped so many others by telling your story although it will never bring your dad back it has done a lot of positive things for me and i am sure others by you sharing your story..........have you ever thought. About a job caring for others as your experience with your own dad will make you a very understanding more compassion carer for others going through the same thing.....sometimes the only way to channel our energy and do something positive with it is to focus on others and help them..i think that is what we are all put here on earth to do is look out for one another...give the cuddles and love you wish to give to your father to another human being and i am sure it will really help you to heal.....you really did your very best at the end of the day and your dad knew that and that he was loved more than anything else in the world....love, peace and happiness to you x x
 

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