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Money and Control Freakery The Order of the Day
Don't let noelphobic scare you. They say we are living in a free country (questionable). We actually do still have the right though to "deprive ourselves of our assets" exactly as we wish, whether we are suffering from Alzheimer's Disease or no. Consciously or otherwise, noelphobic, you are referring to the HASSASSA legislation when you mention "deprivation of assets". HASSASSA is an appalling piece of legislation, which has made a significant dent in our property rights, but fortunately it is limited in its effect (it's all a bit technical - there is a six months time limit).
Don't forget that if a person with AD "deprives" themselves of their assets, the HASSASSA legislation does not make this a crime. And the local authority cannot even refuse care to a person who has given away their assets. The only thing the local authority can do is take the poor ill person to a civil court to try to recover the money. Imagine how that looks in the newspapers. Yet it is true, some local authorities don't mind bad publicity and are taking such court action, even several years after the person gave their property to their relatives. Dorsetshire County Council for one (case of ex parte Beeston) But it is quite rare. I don't recall if Dorset won the case, I must look it up sometime.
As to someone handing out wads of cash to people in the streets, yes a lot of us would "take action" i.e. accept it and say "thanks very much"
Just what anyway noelphobic makes you think you might have the right to infringe someone's liberties and rights in that way? There is no law I know of in this country anyway to stop a person doing what they like with their money. It sounds like you think there ought to be one though!
Remember Jesus in the House of the Pharisees? tipping over the tables with all the money on them in the temple? Nowadays, I guess Christ would have been sectioned under the Mental Health legislation by the NHS for doing that and labelled insane. I seem to remember he was not all that popular afterwards, he ended up by being crucified! Plus ca change.
And you would have supported such action by the sound of it.
In truth Jesus was protesting about money being the god of society in those times and it seems it's no different now. So destroying money, then as now, seems like an act of madness to sick minds.
I also think your attitude towards those with dementia is condescending - i.e. their judgement is "impaired". Until people with AD reach the final stages, most are perfectly able to make good decisions, in fact the law even recognises this by allowing them to make a valid Enduring Power of Attorney.
noelphobic said:That is a really good point. I believe the term that is used is 'deprivation of assets' and this means that if someone gave away substantial amounts of cash or property and then needed to go into a care or nursing home then they would be treated as though they still had the assets in question. Also, where do you draw the line as far as letting someone give their money away goes? If they want to go out in the street and hand out wads of cash then most of us would take action, bearing in mind that not many people would do this if their judgement weren't impaired by their dementia!
Brenda
Don't let noelphobic scare you. They say we are living in a free country (questionable). We actually do still have the right though to "deprive ourselves of our assets" exactly as we wish, whether we are suffering from Alzheimer's Disease or no. Consciously or otherwise, noelphobic, you are referring to the HASSASSA legislation when you mention "deprivation of assets". HASSASSA is an appalling piece of legislation, which has made a significant dent in our property rights, but fortunately it is limited in its effect (it's all a bit technical - there is a six months time limit).
Don't forget that if a person with AD "deprives" themselves of their assets, the HASSASSA legislation does not make this a crime. And the local authority cannot even refuse care to a person who has given away their assets. The only thing the local authority can do is take the poor ill person to a civil court to try to recover the money. Imagine how that looks in the newspapers. Yet it is true, some local authorities don't mind bad publicity and are taking such court action, even several years after the person gave their property to their relatives. Dorsetshire County Council for one (case of ex parte Beeston) But it is quite rare. I don't recall if Dorset won the case, I must look it up sometime.
As to someone handing out wads of cash to people in the streets, yes a lot of us would "take action" i.e. accept it and say "thanks very much"
Just what anyway noelphobic makes you think you might have the right to infringe someone's liberties and rights in that way? There is no law I know of in this country anyway to stop a person doing what they like with their money. It sounds like you think there ought to be one though!
Remember Jesus in the House of the Pharisees? tipping over the tables with all the money on them in the temple? Nowadays, I guess Christ would have been sectioned under the Mental Health legislation by the NHS for doing that and labelled insane. I seem to remember he was not all that popular afterwards, he ended up by being crucified! Plus ca change.
And you would have supported such action by the sound of it.
In truth Jesus was protesting about money being the god of society in those times and it seems it's no different now. So destroying money, then as now, seems like an act of madness to sick minds.
I also think your attitude towards those with dementia is condescending - i.e. their judgement is "impaired". Until people with AD reach the final stages, most are perfectly able to make good decisions, in fact the law even recognises this by allowing them to make a valid Enduring Power of Attorney.