the world of 'care' and make belief

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Bristolbelle

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I am withdrawing....

from this thread , because it is too close to the knuckle for me and is causing me upset....
God bless all who try to change things
 

Amy

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?????:confused: by this thread. What was its pupose? To warn that unfounded accusations can be made? I think we are aware of that.

Amy
 

JPG1

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?????:confused: by this thread. What was its pupose? To warn that unfounded accusations can be made? I think we are aware of that.

Amy

No, Amy, I don't think that was the purpose of the thread.

I have the impression that Justice2012 was trying to discuss the serious issue of safeguarding, and it's impossible to do that in two lines.
 

Amy

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Well I am all for that....but was he making a proposal?

If people do not realise the implications to themselves and society of what is happening in the pretext of safeguarding then things will take their course until they do

Its ok to say that....but what is he/she suggesting people do?

Amy
 

JPG1

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You can't 'do' anything unless and until you understand the issues involved.

Justice2012 has started a discussion. Others can contribute to the discussion - or ignore it totally. Those who care about it can continue the discussion. Other people may become aware of the issues involved, so that they too can be alerted to any potential pitfalls.

I'm just writing a very long post that you may find equally :confused:, Amy, so please respect my right to post it. I won't be suggesting anything for anyone to 'do' - because I wouldn't wish to decide for anyone what she/he may or may not 'do'. We all learn from the steps others have taken, and we can all be alerted to the problems we may encounter if ever we have to walk their walk.
 

Amy

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I have never not respected your right to post. I am not a person who tries to get people gagged/banned. I look forward to reading your post:). I tried to understand what point Justice 2012 was making...as did others...it is difficult to have a discussion when people find the post incomprehensible. I hope that your long post clarifies the matter.

Amy
 

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Just two comments:
I spent 17 years (not in the area of dementia, patient care or care homes) campaigning for people who were getting the short end of the stick. In a word, those people were grateful to me, and those I blew the whistle on were not. To conclude, I was extremely well informed, trained in justice and equality, my psy degree specialised in moral competence..... so I exposed them well. Net result: I got post-traumatic stress disorder, ended up on anti-depressants, had to leave Ireland for a new country. People in power who abuse their power are not about to be exposed.

Shouting/petty neglect as an individual is another matter. Again I write this comment based on my experience. I have shouted at Mum (with moderate Alzheimers at the time). Why? Because I was faced with bizarre, abnormal behaviour - I didn't like what I saw in a person I loved very much, so denial of her dementia set in, and I tried to handle my distress by 'treating' her like a normal person. If she doesn't hear, repeat. If she won't listen, speak louder or shout. Not very elegant, elevated or morally competent, but there you have it. I found her absurd behaviour and thoughts very upsetting, so down came my mental hatches, out the window went compassion and good sense, and my animal brain clicked in: I'm not having any of this nonsense. Needless to say this tactic doesn't work.

I know these comments are a bit off track, but the thread is thought provoking.
 

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This thread was temporarily removed from the public forum so that it could be moderated.

Some posts have been removed from the latter part of this thread, because they contravened forum rules and/or were not constructive to the overall purpose of Talking Point.

In light of the number of posts that needed to be removed, I've closed this thread.

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