We don't know what to do about our mother - Bristol and South West

NickD

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This is my first post. I have read a number of the stories on this forum and I am conscious that the concerns and needs that my sister and I have for our mother at this stage are nothing compared with many other users. However, we are starting to get very concerned and do not know what to do, or how to plan for her future.

I will explain the background, but if you live in Bristol or the South West, I have put some specific questions at the bottom of this post and my sister and I would be extremely grateful for any replies to those questions. Please feel free to skip the detail and go straight to the specifics!

Mum is 67 and lives alone in Bristol. I live in Birmingham and my sister in Bristol. Mum was diagnosed with mild cognitive impairment about 12 months ago. Or at least that is the diagnosis that she received, but our own thoughts are that it is already more advanced than "mild".

We started to notice a general decline in mum's memory about 4 years ago. She started to get confused about dates and couldn't remember conversations or stories. Over the past 4 years things have got progressively worse and now, on a bad day, it would not be unusual for her to ask the same question five or six times within the space of half an hour. If we were to ask her what she did yesterday, or what she had for lunch that day, then, on a bad day, she will get very flustered and would not be able to remember at all. I say "on a bad day" because, occasionally, she has days which are markedly better than others.

We are trying to stop asking her questions that we know she will have difficulty answering because if we begin a conversation this way she gets flustered, confused and panics and things quickly spiral downwards and she seems to have a panic attack.

What began as general forgetfulness has now also developed into some rather erratic and eccentric behaviour. For example she likes to walk a lot and recently bought a pair of slippers to walk in as she said they were more comfortable than her shoes which had given her blisters that day!! She is unable to follow a conversation from start to finish, quickly losing concentration which means she flounders in social situations. Her actions also do not always follow her intentions. If she were to go and collect an object from one room she more often than not comes back with something completely different having forgotten what she went for or where to find it. She temporarily 'loses' her house keys, purse, car keys or phone daily, but has no ability to retrace her steps to think through where she may have left them - often because she is so panicked that she can't even attempt to think clearly. Often she has not 'lost' them at all just can't find them quickly enough to not go into "panic mode".

She is embarrassed about her diagnosis and only has my sister and me, and now a couple of close friends who she will confide in. She used to be a gregarious, outgoing, sociable, loving, caring and extrovert character (albeit always a little eccentric!). Slowly she is becoming more and more withdrawn and introverted. She confided in my sister recently that some days she doesn't bother to get out of bed because there's 'no point' and she shuns social situations to the point where there is no structure to her days and sees only a very few people every week.

Mum has one close friend who has been very good to her and who she trusts implicitly. Her friend has accompanied her to the Memory Clinic in Bristol (on a referral from her GP) and my sister has also attended these appointments with her. She was tested and given some treatment in the form of B-vitamins and a mild anti-depressant together with high blood pressure and cholesterol tablets (which she had been taking for sometime previous to her diagnosis). It was decided, despite poor test results, that she could not be offered any of the more Alzheimer specific drugs which she was very disappointed about. However she wasn't able to remember (even with the aid of labels, notes and pill boxes) which pills needed to be taken when. Much of the problem stemming from not knowing what day it was or whether it was day or night if she had been in bed all day.

Recently she decided the pills made her feel worse and she decided to stop taking them completely. Her GP told her that it was her decision and seemed quite relaxed about her stopping the B-vitamin complex and anti depressant. But recently, encouraged by her friend, she has started taking the anti depressant again. My sister and I suspect that if she didn't drink wine (not to excess but enough to be 'tipsy' most evenings) she would not feel so rough on the medication but loneliness drives her to drink and she won't be told.

Mum is desperately lonely. She hates living on her own and has never got over the fact that her marriage broke down and she has been left to fend for herself in old age. She used to have many many friends, but it is clear (to us at least) that she has lost touch with people because she is so scared and embarrassed by her condition. Every time I speak with her, she tells me how lonely she is. She has not worked since my sister and I were born and she has always been useless with money (as you can imagine, her current condition is not helpful for this).

My sister and I have a lasting power of attorney and I have met recently with her financial adviser to ensure that we are aware of her financial position as she herself is not. I have agreed with her financial adviser that I will attend the next meeting she has with him. Currently, I have no idea how much money she has in the bank and I wouldn't dream of asking this question of her adviser behind her back.

Mum is visibly scared about and acutely aware of what is happening to her memory and has told both me and my sister this on numerous occasions.

Recently, a friend was staying with our mother and was very concerned to see that a lot of her food in the fridge was rotten and cereal packets were infested with insects. Our mother was completely oblivious and would be mortified if she had known. This is an example of how she has 'given up' looking after herself.

Our mother is scared and so are we. My sister sees Mum almost every day at the moment as she is on maternity leave. Mum loves the time she spends with her daughter and the new baby but my sister is very scared about what will happen when this support/company goes in the Spring next year when she returns to work. Mum is still fit and active - she plays tennis twice a week and walks daily (seemingly as a way to alleviate her boredom). Mum is still able to drive (although really struggles with directions these days). It is extremely upsetting for us to see someone who was such a wonderful and loving mother to us become the shadow of her former self. We want to do ANYTHING we can to make her life better and, most of all, allow her to maintain her dignity in what we are sure will be difficult years ahead.

- Do you have experience of looking out for (we are not at the stage of looking after) someone with early onset dementia in Bristol or the South West? If so, can you offer us any advice/suggestions?

- For the time being, how do we monitor Mum from a distance? There seems to be no single person in the health system (GP, consultant etc) who we can talk to owing to confidentiality issues. Her diagnosis does not seem to fit what we see, which is a condition that is more advanced than "mild".

- Are there any support groups out there (in the West Country specifically) where our mother could meet people in a similar situation where they could at least swop coping strategies?

- ANY ADVICE AT ALL WOULD BE SO GRATEFULLY RECEIVED AS WE REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO OR WHO TO ASK.


Many thanks in anticipation.
 

DeborahBlythe

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Hello NickD, welcome to Talking Point.
I'm sorry to hear about the worries you and your sister are having about your mum's memory.
There are a couple of things that occur to me.

Firstly, how long ago did your mother attend the memory clinic? It seems strange that she was not prescribed with some dementia -specific treatment despite having poor results. Would it be time to check out when her next appointment is and get it brought forward, I wonder?

Also, when your sister returns to work, your mother will need extra support, I feel sure. Probably could do with some before then.
If you have not already done so, you could ask for a community care assessment for your mother, and your sister could have a carer's assessment to see if there is any support that would benefit her.
This factsheet has got the relevant information on it. http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=131

For details of Alzheimer Society offices in your area, you can check out this link.http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/custom_scripts/branch.php?area=true&areaCode=WESW

The local offices are mines of information about support and activity locally.

Sorry this is just a quick reply right now, but hopefully others will come along soon.

Please encourage your sister to check into Talking Point also, as she may find it helpful in breaking down isolation, if that is happening.

Kind regards Deborah
 

Saffie

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Mar 26, 2011
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For the time being, how do we monitor Mum from a distance? There seems to be no single person in the health system (GP, consultant etc) who we can talk to owing to confidentiality issues. Her diagnosis does not seem to fit what we see, which is a condition that is more advanced than "mild".
I was able to speak to my husband's GP about his condition without him being there. If you have Pof A and it has been registered then that should fine. I didn't but it was not a problem though it is the surgery that I also use and I had already attended with my husband.

Alternatively could your sister not attend the surgery to see the GP with your mother? That is quite acceptable in our surgery. It does sound as though your mother is in need of much more help and support than she is at present receiving.

I do hope you hear from someone in your area re. places for your mother can go for company and support. Best of luck, x
 

NickD

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Aug 23, 2011
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Thank you for the replies. Mum went to see a private consultant a week or so ago. He carried out similar tests to the Memory Clinic and packed her off saying that he didn't think things were "too bad".

I will find out when Mum's next appointment is from my sister. Mum is a young looking/acting 67 year old and I just don't think she is being taken seriously. My sister and I know what it is like and it does change daily. So much of it is down to confidence with her. She is muddled and confused and that zaps all the confidence out of her and things get worse. She is also constantly exhausted - presumably from having to concentrate so hard all the time.

I've read so many posts on here and the support people receive from others is fantastic. The sad stories have left me in tears as we are so scared for the future.

Thank you for the links to the community care assessment factsheet. We will also phone the Alzheimer's Society branch in Bristol and see if we can tap into their local knowledge.
 

Farmergirl

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May 24, 2011
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So familiar.

We found that mum was ignoring letters asking her to return to the memory clinic and eventually had to write to her GP to get permission to speak to him re our concerns.

We eventually (and i mean it took months) got mum to agree to my brother going to the doctor with her, and this gotr the ball riolling. It then took 3 more months to get her to agree to the POA, and this only because we threatenened to withhold contact to grandchildren if she didnt.

Finally, after the phone was cut off and I was flying backwards and forwards every fortnight, we found 26 carrier bags of mail, unpaid bills, demands etc which have taken me 9 months to go through and sort.
I think the most important things were ;
talking to the consultant in the memory clinic,
getting POA sorted,
getting her medication in a blister pack (it helps me - she's well past dealing with medicine now),
and finally - making a decision about where her future lies.

This is a tough one - I thought about it for 3 months before agreeing to have her move in with me - its been very hard, the kids resent her (and me) but I think its been for the best. She is fast approaching residential care now, but Im glad I had her, even though there have been many days where i could have cheerfully strangled her.

You need to be able to have this chat as a family.....my mother was a 'over my dead body am I going into a home' person - but she will be very soon, and this will be the best for everyone.

I think you have some very tough decisions to make - be as informed as you can be....doctors and social workers can talk a good game, but they dont live the life...you and your mum will....think long and hard....
 

FifiMo

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If you consider your mum's condition is not being recognised by the medical profession then can I suggest that you all start a diary and start logging incidents and all the little things that happen that add up to the bigger picture that makes you, as a family, arrive at a different conclusion than the Dr is arriving at. Next time, send the details from the diary to the consultant in advance of any appointment, so that he has a record of what has been happening and isn't just relying on memory tests etc as a means of diagnosis etc.

Fiona
 

piedwarbler

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Aug 3, 2010
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Hi nick
Welcome to TP. Sorry to read your post. It all sounds horribly familiar. I felt my mum was worse than the medics said. Somewhere on the net there is a set of descriptors of the eight stages of dementia and I found it useful to try and map mums difficulties onto that as I kept my diary to show the memory team.
Good luck x
 

jtc

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Hi Nick.
Just wondering if all your mums blood tests came back ok? I recently saw a lady who was diagnosed with early onset alzhiemers but her very low vitamin b12 results were not picked up by her G.P. They also should have checked her thyroid, blood sugars, salt levels..etc. Because people are diagnosed with memory problems, sometimes other health problems are blamed on this by the professionals.
The lady started her vitb12 shots and the difference is quite amazing
 

FiveWords

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OMG, this is my dad. EVERYTHING you have said, from the good and bad days, to the loss of interest in socialising and the mouldy food in the fridge. :eek: Every word is familiar. Dad lives alone too and it is SO hard to help someone when you can't be there! You don't even know what the problems ARE half the time, never mind being able to fix them. We are currently trying to find a solution to this dilemma ourselves, and are considering asking Dad's community nurse to arrange for someone to come round once or twice a day to spend time with him and observe him, if nothing else, but also to maybe take him shopping or make meals for him, or to help him take his medication. I would think that similar services would be available in your area. Does your mum have a community nurse? Or how about an Occupational Therapist? Speak to either of these people about your concerns, they should be able to arrange some sort of care arrangements for your mum. If she doesn't have either of these people, you need to speak to the doctor again and INSIST she needs more help that she's getting. Often, I suspect the doctors assume everything is OK if the carer/family isn't calling up and begging for more help. I find regular phone calls to the doctor are the only thing that keep the flow of help going - whenever I feel it is drying up, I call someone and miraculously Dad gets sent his next appointment quicker, or gets a prescription, or gets referred somewhere or other. I don't even have to argue or put a case forward - just the fact I have called seems to keep them on their toes. Just keep on at them or they will assume all is well. They can't help if they don't know. xxxxx
 

sharina

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Help in Bristol

If you are able to get a social worker,there are two or three day care centres in Bristol that are free ...if arranged through social services and they also arrange transport.I think you need to get that assessment done.

These day care centres are also available for private funders....I think there is one in Brentry and another in Fishponds. Also there are social groups for people with dementia.There is one on Thursday at the Tyndalls church on Whiteladies Road.

I think that St Monicas (W on T) do some sort of singing dancing programme.

Try and get your mother to go to various church lunch groups.They are all welcoming and very understanding.I think there is one at St Magdalens on a Thursday (Stoke Bishop)

There was a social group in Hotwells but Govt cuts might mean it closes.

There also is an occasional dementia cafe meeting but the Alzheimer Society will know more.

There are also holiday companies specialising in holidays for people with dementia should your mother need a change of scene.

It seems like your mother might need supported living in the future.How would she feel about being somewhere with a warden? Have you checked out Brace? They are the local dementia charity.One charity in the area was building more sheltered housing to prevent/ slowdown the need for nursing homes/ residential homes.

Sorry about the mish mash of ideas!
 

fiitay

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Hi Nick,
I'm new to this too!!
It has taken me and my Dad 4 years and 4 different GPs at our practice to get Mum diagnosed.
As Mum was a science teacher before she retired every time she did the 'dementia test' she got most of the questions right even before I did lol. We just kept taking her back to the GP and eventually I think they got fed up and referred her to a consultant who just asked for examples of behaviour then gave her a mri scan which diagnosed AZ and dementia:(
Maybe you or your sister going to see her GP without her and telling them your worries may help, although obviously because of 'data protection' they won't be able to discuss her with you (how stupid?).
Have my fingers crossed for you

Fi xx
 

Saffie

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My husband's doctor did discuss my husband - because I had already attended with him and he had replied to the Dr's query whether he was happy for me to be there in the affirmative. Incidentally, it was to query my husband's vitamin B12 levels and whether that my be the cause of his confusion that was the purpose of our first visit to the GP on this subject because my daughter had queried this possibility. Unhappily the blood test proved negative as did the general tests for depression - also another possible cause, but at least it meant he was agreeable to go to the Dr's.
 

bethan

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Hello
I cant advise on Bristol/ SW, but just wanted to say that I did long distance caring for my mum for 2 years and totally empathise with what you are going through. Mum got frequent UTIs as well and was in and out of hospital all the time, hallucinating and aggressive and no idea where or when she was- then would get better and just about manage to care for helself before the next one.
I managed to get my mum into extra-care housing near to where I live, and a year on she is a different person and my stress levels are almost normal. It is definately worth checking out what is available in your area, most are provided by Registered Social Landlords or private firms.
As others have said, day centres, forgetmenot clubs etc are all good. The advantage of the activities in extra care is that they are non stigmatising and people have a range of disabilities- or none!
Good luck
Beth
 

sistermillicent

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Hi Nick, I would love to be able to reply with something useful but I don't know Bristol and what may be available there.
I can say that we were also told that mum's condition wasn't too bad and it made us feel utterly useless because things were just dreadful for her and dad and life had completely changed. yes, she scored reasonably well on the memory tests, amazingly, but that was only a minute part of what was really going on with her.

I am lucky in that dad has looked after mum and I have supplemented this by supporting him and going behind his back to get the help they need. This is something you mention in your post and I felt the same, that it was wrong. It was actually essential, so don't feel bad about finding out your mum's financial position or anything else you might need to know. It's not interfering, it's being a good son. ( don't know whether Nick is M or F so have made an assumption)

Keeping a diary is also a good idea as any assessment you ever have to go through on your mum's behalf will want to know things about her, and specific examples are very useful. It can make you feel like a traitor, but it gets the help you will need.

My mum has a carer twice a week (she's really quite severely affected now) who comes from an agency and this carer does cleaning and cooking as part of her job. It isn't a national agency but you might be able to find something similar, then at least you know the fridge has been cleaned out and your mum might find it more acceptable if the carer is there to clean. Mum also goes to day care twice a week and goes into respite every couple of months for a fortnight. There is help out there if you fight for it.

I found their local Alzheimers society very helpful too. I also talked to my parents' friends behind their backs, which I felt bad about but it got a united approach going and better support, and we stopped contacting each other once things got sorted out and kept it non gossipy.

All the best
Pippa
 

NickD

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Aug 23, 2011
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Oh my goodness - my sister and I are overwhelmed by the responses. Even just knowing that other people share our concerns is support in itself.

We are starting the diary with immediate effect, I am arranging an appointment to try and sort out her finances (Farmergirl - the carrier bags full of post that she doesn't dare open are more than familiar...) and my sister and I are both going to speak with her doctor.

All the other responses for groups in Bristol we will look into and, most importantly, we are going to try our best to plan with Mum (I'll report back on how that goes, as even though she is opening up and accepting her diagnosis to us more and more, we're going to have to play this very carefully or we fear she'll clam up and stop telling us any more)

Thank you all for your responses. We are very glad that we found Talking Point and I am happy that we'll be probably using it more and more as time goes on.

NickD