what to do when the person doesnt know they have alzeihmers

totallyconfused

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Its so hard knowing and my mother doesn't know. We feel like we cant even utter the word in the house. When I talk to family or gp on the phone, I go in the garden. I took the leaflet out of the tablet box because the word alzeihmers is mentioned in the first line. When she asked what the tablets are for, I just say they work with the anti depressants to help your mood and memory.

I told a few key people-her siblings, a couple people that take her for coffee as they will need to keep a closer eye on her,a couple of neighbours in case of emergency. But Im so aware of her privacy as well but I have to put safety measures in place as well.

Its difficult! The doctor not to mention it until he sees her again in September. part of me does think if she knew, she would probably want to give up completely.
 

Linbrusco

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Its so hard knowing and my mother doesn't know. We feel like we cant even utter the word in the house. When I talk to family or gp on the phone, I go in the garden. I took the leaflet out of the tablet box because the word Alzheimer is mentioned in the first line. When she asked what the tablets are for, I just say they work with the anti depressants to help your mood and memory.

I told a few key people-her siblings, a couple people that take her for coffee as they will need to keep a closer eye on her,a couple of neighbours in case of emergency. But Im so aware of her privacy as well but I have to put safety measures in place as well.

Its difficult! The doctor not to mention it until he sees her again in September. part of me does think if she knew, she would probably want to give up completely.

After my Mum was diagnosed with chronic lymphocytic leukemia in 2011, and then early stage bowel cancer in 2012, she said she didn't want to know if there was ever anything else wrong with her.
It was also in 2011/2012 that we saw changes in Mums memory, mood etc and after her bowel surgery in Jan 2013 possibly the general anaesthetic may have hastened her decline. Mum was diagnosed with Alzheimers in Jun 2013.
In the beginning we said that she had a bit of a memory problem and she accepted that... although she was no different to her friends her own age, she said. :)
I did what i could to protect her from the words dementia and alzheimers... not made easy by well meaning Doctors, Specialists and Alzheimers society who send paperwork to Mum instead of my address, or phone Mum instead of me.
I used to get really wound up about it, but as Mums Alz has progressed I don't as much.
Mum was sent a birthday card in March from our Key Worker at Alz Society.
Mum said " they must be wrong, I don't have Alzheimers" :)

A few weeks back Mum ended up in hospital. Mums medical history came up of course and it isn't always possible to speak in private, so it was enivitable. Mum didn't question it.

For now you can just tell her she has a memory problem, if you think telling her she has Alzheimers might be difficult.
By all means tell your nearest and dearest.
 

Witzend

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How is her short term memory? If it's already poor, then chances are she'd forget very quickly anyway.
Personally I can't see any point in telling someone, if it's likely to upset or depress them. TBH who on earth really wants to know they have a horrible disease with no cure?

My mother was told by her GP tht she had Alzh. and apparently accepted it (she would never have questioned the doctor aka God then) but had completely forgotten by the time she got home maybe 15 minutes later. We did try to remind her once or twice, but it just made her cross - there was nothing wrong with her! - and she started accusing us of conspiring against her.
So we stopped reminding her altogether. There was no point. I think we explained the Aricept by saying tht it was to help with older-age memory problems.
 

irismary

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My OH thinks he had Alzheimer's but doesn't seem to know now and when we went to the Day Centre he went along with conversations as if we were talking about someone else. When applying for AA he thought I was talking nonsense but I used the POA. Just in the process of applying for Council Tax reduction and I just said he may qualify for it because he gets AA. I just say what pacifies him - love lies - no point fighting battles you don't need to - its hard enough as it is. We sometimes joke about it a bit as he never had a good memory for people, faces, names etc. Hard to live in two worlds.
 

JohnBG

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Denial

My mother is still in utter denial, she knows her memory is not what is was, I went with the notion that we all forget. She is 90 adamant to the point of arguing that she still feels competent to drive.

She was giving money away, the SS came to safe guard her, I did notice when she repeated herself they said you have already said that, maybe 10 times in the same conversation. I am trying to be honest with her in those moments of lucidity she understands although immediately forgets. That duality where she can remember some short term aspects plus not others simultaneously.

It has and continues to be a battle, this week she phoned for an appointment on consecutive days to see her GP with no memory to tell him, went to the ER sent home in an ambulance.

My Aunt had dementia, her husband died, the doctor said not to tell her, she would say to me is he coming downstairs, then she would forget, very sad.

Only you know what the right thing to do in any situation is, on the basis that they will understand or remember then forget is it worth the upset, in truth who knows.

Take care good luck. John.
 

lizzybean

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My MIL has never known that she has AD. A few weeks after diagnoses we had to go to the hospital for something else & I explained that she had AD & she whipped round & said "who told you that" What's the point of keep reminding them? She has memory problems, simple as!
 

jknight

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Oh, Totally confused, this is my situation. Mum knows she can't remember (but won't admit it to me)
She isn't eating well (enough calories but poor nutrition)
She isn't washing her clothes
She used to do complicated jigsaws but is now mixing them up
Isolating herself (but tells everyone that people visit her & she visits friends - neither true)
She can't cope with "memory problems" let alone "Alzheimer's" or "dementia"
Mild on the MMSE assessment but her short term memory has completly gone
I also remove any leaflets from tablets!
Struggling, to be honest
 

Andrew_McP

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When my mother's journey through the official process began, requiring labels like Alzheimer's in order to access the appropriate advice, services and benefits, I failed dismally to protect her from the damage such a label can do. Mum wasn't prepared for the diagnosis, wouldn't accept it, rebelled against any attempt to help her, and my reluctance to lie or 'bend the truth' made things harder for her than they needed to be.

Regrets, eh... if only you could cash them in! We'd all be rich enough to cure this darned disease between us. With maybe a little cash left over for a holiday... or at least a packet of chocolate Hob-Nobs. I'm easily pleased these days.

It took many months of patience and largely avoidance to find a way through the maze of fear and frustration. I eventually managed to persuade Mum that "Alzheimer's" is just the world's very lazy way of describing all manner of memory problems, from the mildest forgetfulness to the full blown nightmare Mum imagined when she heard the word. This approach seems, within reason, to be one which most professionals in the area are happy to follow... sometimes with a little prompting! I have learned to be 'rude' and interrupt people if I think they're heading in a direction which will end in the A word.

I also found that 'brain pills' for boosting her memory was an acceptable way of describing and labelling the donepezil, though it took a while to find a dose and delivery regime which suited her physically no matter what they were called.

It undoubtedly helped when, with time, Mum realised just how bad her memory can be (on a bad day, obviously; no need to debate whether it's awful all the time). Examples would crop up occasionally which would help her realise why family was worried, and wanted to help her more. And slowly (painfully slowly!) these little cracks in the door allowed me to open it up wide enough for her to accept more help, even if so far that help's only from myself. At least she's safer and happier now than she was.

As for knowing who to share information with... well, I was sort of lucky in the fact that one of Mum's neighbours is a tough, no nonsense ex-nurse, and she told my Mum that the original problems she was having were likely to be down to Alzheimer's. It was blunt and distressing at the time, but it at least helped get the ball rolling at a time when I was struggling to work out how the heck to get Mum to a meeting with a doctor.

That neighbour had obviously mentioned this to others, and this actually helped when I started spending my days off with Mum and saw the neighbours more. It was clear some were treading on eggshells trying to be tactful, and it was very easy to tell which were happy to be part of the extended support net and who were happy to run a mile. With both kinds I was usually able to simply take a neighbourly opportunity to say I'd be around more now that Mum's health wasn't what it used to be, and I'd really appreciate it if they'd take my mobile number just in case they were worried about Mum at any time.

I suspect most of them had seen Mum wearing clothes inside out or back to front by then, or similar 'eccentric' behaviour, and it was probably a relief in a way for them to know that I was aware of Mum's 'memory problems', that Mum was also aware of her 'memory problems', and they were relieved to have my number to call.

Of course these days there are very few families who haven't been touched by this dreadful condition, and that helps both recognition and acceptance. The bottom line for me was that I was more worried that not enough people knew Mum was vulnerable than too many. So although I live in fear of Mum finding out just how many people know how much, or of the wrong type of people discovering her vulnerability, I feel she's safer -- overall -- than she was before this journey began, and hasn't lost her independence totally. Yet.

So... so I've written an essay and shed no light on the subject whatsoever. Story of my life! Maybe some of it will be useful to someone though, so I'll hit the submit button rather than deleting it all as I've done countless times in countless threads during the past year or so of lurking.

Good luck out there everyone, and be kind to yourselves. Especially when it comes to going to bed early instead of sitting up typing or reading forums. ;-)
 

jenniferpa

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Andrew, well I for one am really glad you chose to hit the submit button. I think a lot of us can relate to what you are saying.

And welcome to Talking Point. :)
 

JohnBG

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Memory Loss.

I discuss this with my mother as memory issues, she is from an era of self reliance, she mentions she must be stupid, she used to speaks many languages having forgotten all things now. She has the understanding that her memory is declining.

I am trying to get her to write things down as time and the now are challenging concepts. I continue to shield her from the distress or stigma she may feel being labeled as having dementia. I can see the frustration of that immediate memory loss, even words it is all jumbled up everything intertwined.

I did notice when the Rapid I intervention Team came, on two separate times they told my mother she had already told them, I have tended to accept it as the first utterance rather than the 20th !

We deal with life on a daily basis, try to have fun plus smile frequently.

Hope you survived today, my mother needs my help, compassion understanding plus patience.