Hello there
I have been posting on and off for a few years because I always get such sensible help here, just about the only place really. Once again I am seeking your better brains, although maybe I will have the courage to come on a bit more now dad has finally been diagnosed so I can say 'yes - this is dementia, not just a mean old man'.
After a long history of my dad's domestic abuse, attacks on mum's carers and several arrests, my 81 yo mum (who has MCI) sought an occupation order against my 83 yo dad (recently diagnosed with vascular dementia although I would say symptoms go back at least 5 years). Their home is jointly owned, she is living in it quite happily with 4x a day carers, he is in sheltered housing down the road which he hates and has just got rid of his carers yet again. I live 50 miles away and for the past 4 years have been going over Wednesdays and Sundays, do shopping, prescriptions and laundry, plus medical appointments when they come up. I always do this for her but for him it is intermittent as from time to time he tells me he has always hated me and never wants to see me again so I get a few weeks off - although probably will not allow myself this now I know for sure it is dementia. I am LPA for her but not him, their house, bank account and savings are joint.
Although dad is violent and abusive to mum, he also protests that he is devoted to her and cannot live without her. She does not want him back. She has easily accepted that he has dementia although for a number of years psychiatrists etc had been saying it is probably personality disorder although hard to diagnose because of his age. I am now starting to wonder whether this might be what happens when somebody with a personality disorder gets dementia as well.
We were in court yesterday for the fourth time, yet again it was adjourned. Once again, we all turned up, including mum who fell asleep, but the judge (once again, one we have never met before – four different judges so far) said there was not enough time allocated (by the last judge!!) and wanted a full day hearing. Plus Dad’s solicitor (he now has one) wants to apply for medical evidence. That probably means at least two more hearings. Mum’s barrister doesn’t think mum can do a full day in court so is pushing for video link. I am the only person who has been at all the hearings so far and I am shocked by their rather shambolic nature.
Basically my growing impression is the district judges are very reluctant to make a ruling, may even kick it off to the High Court (please god NO), and want mum and dad to sort it out outside of court. I am not opposed to this but just don't know HOW, the only thing I know is that if he goes back things will quickly get very chaotic and dangerous for mum again. There was a possibility he would be sent back yesterday, mum had agreed to an emergency bed being arranged in a local care home if he was, although that is not what she wants at all.
Up until yesterday Dad had not been communicating with me at all, having thrown his stick at me and thrown me out of his flat. He then started calling mum every day. After the hearing for some reason we all hung around and the court turned into this ghastly mum and dad show for a bit with dad, his social worker, and his solicitor having a little meeting in the corridor. I was exhausted (so was mum), fed up and just wanted everybody to push off home so I could get mum out the door in her wheel chair without her having to see him, but they wouldn’t. I came under quite a bit of pressure/ emotional blackmail (‘’blood is thicker than water’, ‘be the bigger person’, ‘you won’t have him forever’) to speak to dad, once again he got all the others to act as go-betweens and so now I am back visiting him and doing his laundry. It all happened in public, it felt humiliating and really inappropriate – I had to hug and kiss him in front of everybody which I hated, yet another snapshot to add to the album of horrible memories. Judge me for feeling that way if you like and remind me 'he has dementia - he can't help it' but I have had a belly full over the years.
However - but we did make a little bit of progress in that dad is now prepared to talk about living somewhere else. I want to hear a bit more about that from him. His angle now seems to be that he has had a magical personality transformation since getting a pacemaker so he now has more oxygen to the brain, which I will not believe unless I see consistently changed behaviour for a long time. It also sends me into hysterical crazy laughter when I think about all the years he insisted he would not have a pacemaker and did not need one, he only got one because I consented it when he was very confused and he has berated me bitterly since then for doing it.
So mum is back at home, which is a good thing and for me the most important thing. Mum said clearly in court yesterday that she does not want dad back because she now lives a peaceful life, although she does not want a divorce and speaks to him daily, which I think the judge found a bit confusing. Dad also is saying that as an alternative to a long drawn out court battle he would be prepared to think about living somewhere else if it was a place he liked, but their borough is very expensive and their savings would go within a few years on rent. One possibility is to sell their home and find two different places, but if he has dementia how long will he be able to live independently? Personally I think the place where I live (50 miles north of London) has its attractions but mum and dad both like their London borough. Needs a better brain than mine really - which is why I am asking you because you have LOADS of brains.
Having been advised to go down this road it proves complicated, exhausting and tricky but at least the emergency placement scenario was avoided, which is good. I am not sure I would describe myself as 'desperate' any more (four years after first posting) but I am super tired.
Any thoughts?
I have been posting on and off for a few years because I always get such sensible help here, just about the only place really. Once again I am seeking your better brains, although maybe I will have the courage to come on a bit more now dad has finally been diagnosed so I can say 'yes - this is dementia, not just a mean old man'.
After a long history of my dad's domestic abuse, attacks on mum's carers and several arrests, my 81 yo mum (who has MCI) sought an occupation order against my 83 yo dad (recently diagnosed with vascular dementia although I would say symptoms go back at least 5 years). Their home is jointly owned, she is living in it quite happily with 4x a day carers, he is in sheltered housing down the road which he hates and has just got rid of his carers yet again. I live 50 miles away and for the past 4 years have been going over Wednesdays and Sundays, do shopping, prescriptions and laundry, plus medical appointments when they come up. I always do this for her but for him it is intermittent as from time to time he tells me he has always hated me and never wants to see me again so I get a few weeks off - although probably will not allow myself this now I know for sure it is dementia. I am LPA for her but not him, their house, bank account and savings are joint.
Although dad is violent and abusive to mum, he also protests that he is devoted to her and cannot live without her. She does not want him back. She has easily accepted that he has dementia although for a number of years psychiatrists etc had been saying it is probably personality disorder although hard to diagnose because of his age. I am now starting to wonder whether this might be what happens when somebody with a personality disorder gets dementia as well.
We were in court yesterday for the fourth time, yet again it was adjourned. Once again, we all turned up, including mum who fell asleep, but the judge (once again, one we have never met before – four different judges so far) said there was not enough time allocated (by the last judge!!) and wanted a full day hearing. Plus Dad’s solicitor (he now has one) wants to apply for medical evidence. That probably means at least two more hearings. Mum’s barrister doesn’t think mum can do a full day in court so is pushing for video link. I am the only person who has been at all the hearings so far and I am shocked by their rather shambolic nature.
Basically my growing impression is the district judges are very reluctant to make a ruling, may even kick it off to the High Court (please god NO), and want mum and dad to sort it out outside of court. I am not opposed to this but just don't know HOW, the only thing I know is that if he goes back things will quickly get very chaotic and dangerous for mum again. There was a possibility he would be sent back yesterday, mum had agreed to an emergency bed being arranged in a local care home if he was, although that is not what she wants at all.
Up until yesterday Dad had not been communicating with me at all, having thrown his stick at me and thrown me out of his flat. He then started calling mum every day. After the hearing for some reason we all hung around and the court turned into this ghastly mum and dad show for a bit with dad, his social worker, and his solicitor having a little meeting in the corridor. I was exhausted (so was mum), fed up and just wanted everybody to push off home so I could get mum out the door in her wheel chair without her having to see him, but they wouldn’t. I came under quite a bit of pressure/ emotional blackmail (‘’blood is thicker than water’, ‘be the bigger person’, ‘you won’t have him forever’) to speak to dad, once again he got all the others to act as go-betweens and so now I am back visiting him and doing his laundry. It all happened in public, it felt humiliating and really inappropriate – I had to hug and kiss him in front of everybody which I hated, yet another snapshot to add to the album of horrible memories. Judge me for feeling that way if you like and remind me 'he has dementia - he can't help it' but I have had a belly full over the years.
However - but we did make a little bit of progress in that dad is now prepared to talk about living somewhere else. I want to hear a bit more about that from him. His angle now seems to be that he has had a magical personality transformation since getting a pacemaker so he now has more oxygen to the brain, which I will not believe unless I see consistently changed behaviour for a long time. It also sends me into hysterical crazy laughter when I think about all the years he insisted he would not have a pacemaker and did not need one, he only got one because I consented it when he was very confused and he has berated me bitterly since then for doing it.
So mum is back at home, which is a good thing and for me the most important thing. Mum said clearly in court yesterday that she does not want dad back because she now lives a peaceful life, although she does not want a divorce and speaks to him daily, which I think the judge found a bit confusing. Dad also is saying that as an alternative to a long drawn out court battle he would be prepared to think about living somewhere else if it was a place he liked, but their borough is very expensive and their savings would go within a few years on rent. One possibility is to sell their home and find two different places, but if he has dementia how long will he be able to live independently? Personally I think the place where I live (50 miles north of London) has its attractions but mum and dad both like their London borough. Needs a better brain than mine really - which is why I am asking you because you have LOADS of brains.
Having been advised to go down this road it proves complicated, exhausting and tricky but at least the emergency placement scenario was avoided, which is good. I am not sure I would describe myself as 'desperate' any more (four years after first posting) but I am super tired.
Any thoughts?
