How much physical abuse is 'too much'?

Jesskle66

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Mum continues in the psychiatric unit of the local hospital after her sectioning.

Over the course of the last two weeks she has become increasingly violent towards me. It started off as raising her hand like you would to warn someone that they were going to be hit, moved onto slapping me in the face, then yesterday to punching me in the face.

It is not as a result of disagreeing with a delusion. Yesterday as soon as I walked in she called me a slut and I responded 'why would you call me that, mum?' She literally punched me in the face as her response! So today I have a bruise appearing across my cheek bone, a very sore neck and have gone from the shock of it to feeling furious. The staff dealt with it well, have told me not to go in for a while which I will abide with. Mainly because I am so angry, I have to admit.
 

henfenywfach

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Hi! Im so sorry you are having to go through this ...I dont know the circumstances..could it be her medication..or that she knows when you arrive you are some point having to leave??..maybe shes confused and its not unheard of hurting the person closest to them!..I hope things improve for you..at this emotional time!..sorry not much help just wanted to say something rather than nothing...

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CollegeGirl

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Gosh, I would say that being punched in the face is too much, personally. It's not your mum's fault, of course, but that doesn't make it okay.

If I had dementia, and I punched my daughter in the face I would hope someone would advise her to back off until things stabilised.

I think you have every reason to be angry, but try to direct it at the disease and not your mum - easier said than done, I know. I often feel angry at my mam for putting dad through the mill, even though I know in my heart that she can't help it.

It's a terrible illness.
 
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sistermillicent

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I am so sorry you have been hurt. Your mum must be suffering to inflict this on you, as mine was. She threw a knife at my sister's face, luckily it missed. This is what got us go get her on antipsychotic medication which has been very effective. She is still cared for at home the majority of the time with none of the violence we grew almost used to.
 

Jesskle66

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Thank you for all the supportive comments. The hospital have been considering anti-psychotics, sistermillicent, but have been cautious because of side effects. I have been reading up online and they don't always seem effective but I think I will push for them at the review meeting next week. Even if it is just a chance of working I think mum would want to take the risk of side effects if she was in her 'right mind'.
 

CollegeGirl

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My mam's consultant wants to try my mam on Risperidone, an antipsychotic, but dad has always been vehemently against them. However, things are getting so bad now that he is starting to think he may have to resort to them if he has any chance of keeping her at home with him for as long as possible.

Hard decisions but made for all the right reasons. Good luck.
 

Ann Mac

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Thank you for all the supportive comments. The hospital have been considering anti-psychotics, sistermillicent, but have been cautious because of side effects. I have been reading up online and they don't always seem effective but I think I will push for them at the review meeting next week. Even if it is just a chance of working I think mum would want to take the risk of side effects if she was in her 'right mind'.

When Mil first moved in, we had an horrendous time with almost constant sundowning, and though Mil didn't physically attack any of us, she would bang on doors and windows trying to 'get home', try to throw objects through window to smash them, keep going for up to 22 hours with her breathing and colour getting worse and worse, and on the very occasional times she managed to get out, she would bang on complete strangers doors, go in their house, empty her handbag, or run into the road without looking. She was putting herself in massive physical danger, not only from the risk of accident, or attack from strangers, or being taken advantage of, but as she has both heart problems and COPD, the risk of a heart attack or asthma attack was a real worry for us.

Anti-psychotic medication was suggested, and I scared myself silly going through the list of potential side effects, and felt very guilty for even considering them. Then a friend of mine said something that tipped the scales. She asked, that if I had the option, would I chose to be constantly angry, frightened, suffering dreadful delusions, paranoid all the time, put myself at risk of injury, heart attack, asthma attack, stroke (history of TIA's) and put my family through hell watching and dealing with all this - or would I chose to be 'blissed out' on medication, even if the medication carried the risk of heart attack or stroke (as did the behaviour listed above), and remove some if not all of rest of the possible outcomes and effects of the behaviours?.

Put like that, I knew which door I would go through, and I sincerely believe its what Mil would chose too. I went through a lot of posts on here, as well, and saw many positive examples and experiences of using this type of medication. And that decided both myself, and OH when we discussed it.

The drugs have not been a miracle cure, but they have brought enough relief that she has rarely reached the heights of upset and agitation that we used to see on a daily basis, since. They have 'toned down' the anxiety and all the horrible symptoms that go with it. Without them, I doubt she would still be living with us - we just couldn't sustain coping with the manic level of behaviours we were getting at the start. Her CPN is brilliant, and she is well monitored. There have been some probable side effects - she has developed Parkinsonisms, and we are waiting to see a specialist - but I still 100% feel that she was at more risk from even greater injury/illness from the agitation. Its quality of life, too, isn't it? Can't say she is happy, but she is not as miserable or scared or angry as she was when the agitation and manic behaviour ruled the day, and the medication has toned things down to the extent that she can still have and even enjoy family activities and interaction to an extent that wasn't possible before.

I hope this helps, and I'm so sorry you are having such an awful time - the emotional and physical pain of being hit doesn't lessen any just because there is an explanation for the thump - it still hurts the same, and you shouldn't have to put up with it xxxx
 

cragmaid

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Mum hit you. OK you are not a child, she is ill....but this is no excuse.
Picture this: Lady in the next bed has a visit from a grandchild. Grandchild gets too close to Mum.Mum hits out and hits child. Cue major law suits all round.

This needs a major case conference and yes probable drug intervention.
 

Mik1929

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Thank you for all the supportive comments. The hospital have been considering anti-psychotics, sistermillicent, but have been cautious because of side effects. I have been reading up online and they don't always seem effective but I think I will push for them at the review meeting next week. Even if it is just a chance of working I think mum would want to take the risk of side effects if she was in her 'right mind'.

MW was very violent in spasams for a long time, both verbally and physically. Early this year she was, at last, diagnosed with Alzheimer's and prescribed both memantine and respiredone. This has meant that she no longer has such violent periods, although some things can bring on some verbal abuse. I realise that MW is now as she is because of the medication but the situation was so bad that it could not have gone on as it was. I am the full time carer for MW and life is just about manageable but, at 85, I am not looking forward to the future.
I am sorry that you are having this problem and wish you all the best.
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